Faults
Faults is the sort of movie we do this for. This is why we sift through streaming services. This is why we've watched whole sections unable to explain what we're looking for. A cult follower, a down on his luck deprogrammer, a cheap motel, and a butt-ton of uncertainty. A movie full of underrated actors.
We also talk about Netflix's (likely temporary fall from grace) and Michael Shannon is in Groundhog Day.
Faults
Written and Directed by Riley Sterns. Starring Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Leland Orser. Also John Gries, Chris Ellis, Lance Reddick, and Beth Grant.
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Faults
Scott: [:Frank: blockbuster, Hollywood, and the independent
Scott: video store over. But the days of searching the shelves for hidden gems and overlook call classics is never ending. Join us while
Frank: we drown in a sea of streaming options and ask the question, what
Scott: the hell is a good movie.
Anyway, I'm Frank I'm Scott and
Frank: where the last video store clerks.
Faults
Scott: why wait. So, Michael Shannon was in Groundhog day. I get through the whole
Frank: thing. I didn't just watch part of it. I mean, I ended up on the couch that long. I was like, I'm just gonna roll with it. It's a scene where he's telling, uh, the producer chick, Andy McDowell.
Yeah. Isn't that her name? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's trying to convince her, like he knows what's going on and he introduced this girl and her fiance and I think his name is Steve or Mike something generic. Well, yeah, so all that I saw was the side of his face and I was like, no Faults, is this Michael Shannon?
And then sure enough, they don't show him, show him, but you see it blurred. But seeing it so many times growing up, I was, I felt like that couple comes
ht there. Okay. I felt like. [:Frank: um, I knew that I would see them again. So I kept paying attention.
Sure enough. At the end, he gives them a gift at that big party. Oh really?
Scott: And like, so he's return character. He's not just like a background. Yeah.
Frank: He wasn't just like a featured extra with a line or two. Like he said something in the diner when they were introduced. But I think it was just like, huh? When he is, he actually says like a couple things, but I was like, that's him and IMDB.
Sure enough. Michael Shannon Groundhog day. He's like the fiance, Steve Mike.
Scott: That's so crazy. The first time I remember seeing him in anything was take shelter. That was the first time. That was the first time I note I was like that guy, that guy. Awesome. See
Frank: bug.
Scott: I forgot it. Bug, man. I forgot
Frank: about that because bug was, you know, one of those that under the radar, you know, not
Scott: a big budget.
Ashley Jud, right? The Jud. Yeah. Pretty good movie though. It's been a couple years. That's one of those. No one tells you about it. Bug. Yeah. You find that movie, you find (Faults)
like a soldier random thing [:Shape of water. Yeah. No, it just eight mile you know, was
Scott: he an eight
Frank: mile? Yeah, he was the mom's, uh, boyfriend who she was waiting. He was waiting on the
Scott: check. Oh, I remember he was waiting on the check. So I've only seen that movie once, but yeah. Yeah. you
Frank: only get one shot, you know, don't miss your chance to blow ,
Scott: but I'm really sick of fucking Hollywood is celebrating.
Netflix is falling down. It's it's toppling over. It's never gonna come back from this because Netflix is the only one. Well, they're shutter and other movie streaming services that are pure movie oriented things, but we should not be like heralding, apple, and Amazon as these beacons of what we want to get our entertainment from.
Yeah. There's something about like, Netflix was sort of started in a, a, a pure way and I'm gonna be loyal to him. I'm not canceling fucking Netflix. Yeah.
Frank: And I think we talked about it before, but do people still get DVD? I bet it's
Scott: actually. Yeah. [:Yeah. He said their selection is terrible because oh, he was saying maybe you could, uh, like was like, maybe I bet. It's awesome. Cause nobody's doing it. I was like, maybe I could get tales from the crypt. Yeah. Once I'm done with your set, I can like pick up there and I can reinstate the, the, getting them in the mail.
And he said they have like one or two seasons and they're not even in order or something. Oh, I, I bet they're not replacing things that get damaged and stuff like that. And if you remember, Netflix movies were scratched as fuck after a while. Faults, Right?
Frank: Yeah. I, uh, that's how we started the walking dead for the first time.
Yeah. Was Netflix D V D at one point? Yeah. There was a fucked
Scott: up disc. I did a lot of TV shows that way. Six feet under and oh man. A couple other things
Frank: like that. I was late. I was late to the game. Well, and I was gaming it so much at a certain point in life. I, I would just rent them from the store. Not Netflix.
like this thing's fucked up. [:Frank: was, is I went into it knowing that I probably wouldn't get those new release high demand games. I'd heard I
Scott: talk to you. Oh yeah. That was the thing that I had heard from it was, it was so jammed up, but it was super rare that you ever didn't get what you were wanting on Netflix.
Well,
Frank: here's the thing though. I'd fill it with random off titles. That just seemed interesting. And then I wouldn't get those either and they would just send me something and you would read online and ask people and they're like, just put the one game you want in your queue and nothing else. And it worked once and then
Scott: it never happened again.
Yeah. I never had any problems like that with Netflix. It was things like the week that came out, sometimes I wouldn't get 'em. Yeah. And I'd be like, that's fine. I'll wait another week. But I never like was in the middle of watching a TV series and didn't get the next disc.
Frank: Yeah. That, that, that didn't happen.
No, no, no. But gamely was just, it was such a small company at the time too. Somehow I kept getting the same guy
, like they had taken over a [:And the people were like, oh, I don't know. and that's the way I felt about it. Netflix. I. You know, I'd report things back. I, I got pretty much everything I wanted out of the disc stuff. And when they switched to streaming, I didn't really wanna do that. Anything I've complained about Netflix over the years, mm-hmm they've miraculously pull.
Like I was like, you're gonna make your own shows. That's not what I fucking want. And then really all I've watched this week was stranger things.
Frank: Well, and while there still are some good ones will the overall
Scott: I will agree the overall quality of like, they spread themselves a little too thin. They should have stayed a little more prestige, but I think they'll find their footing and figure it out because that's the thing is, all they have to do is worry about movies and TV shows.
It's a fucking side racket for Amazon and apple and Faults. So don't like, hold them up. Like Netflix busted the fucking Faultsty part of Hollywood open. Yeah. And it seems
s on the app over Hulu. Hulu [:Scott: off.
And I think all we're seeing right now is there's a finite amount of people. Mm-hmm, also. If you were gaining subscribers all over the place during the pandemic, mm-hmm some of 'em have to go to work now. yeah. They can't watch fucking TV while they're
Frank: working. Yeah, no, not everybody's
Scott: knocking 'em out anymore.
Yeah. So maybe the sustainability of having as many streaming services, isn't what it has been for the last two years. Yeah. So they'll figure it out.
Frank: And there is still enough quality program. It, it just used to be when a documentary would drop,
you
Scott: were like, oh Faults. Well, I feel like they've been trying to kill it too.
Like paramount, just sucking up all the paramount movies and taking 'em off all the other streaming. Oh yeah.
Frank: When, uh, the office left and went to NBC
Scott: peacock. Yeah. And NBC owns Hulu. Let's not forget. They have two fucking streaming platforms and they're trying to trick you and then they have like a deal with FX, which is owned by Fox and stuff like that.
Netflix, isn't doing. They made really good Faults. And there is everybody is
k: in the same rotation too. [:Scott: competitors. Yeah. And we've gotten really used to that, but I, I, I wouldn't discount Netflix yet. I I'm rooting for '
Frank: em. Faults movie!
I think there's too much behind them. I did see the articles about them cutting staff a while
Scott: back. Well, that's what you do when you run outta money. They're, they're a huge corporation. I'm not talking about them. Like there's some mom and pop.
Frank: I saw something on social media as like a walkthrough of one of their bigger offices, just empty.
Like that whole office was gone. Yeah.
Scott: Like that got rid of the whole office. And I figured something like that was happening. I'm not like praising them for firing a bunch of people or anything like that, but we have all these. Streaming platforms and competition is good. It's great. But if you're gonna root for somebody don't root for fucking Jeffrey Bezos, fucking penis,
Frank: spaceships and Faults.
the only one that really looks like a
Scott: C yeah. Or apple or something like that. Like cool. They're making good shows, but apple doesn't have Faults. They don't have any movies that I wanna see. All they have is their original programming. So which every
it, I like, I swear. I Dr. A [:Scott: some of their stuff's really good.
I keeps you trailers. I mean, you're an midnight Shalon guy and he's got a TV show. No, believe me. Although I've heard mixed things about it, it kind of sounds all the mixed things are things that I'm like, oh, I wanna watch that. oh, you don't like. I wanna see
Frank: that. Well, look, I still watch the happening every now and then,
Scott: so that, yeah, well I'm a hypocrite and a contrarian, so like, I'm gonna root for Netflix cuz they're losing.
And uh, I was like, fuck you for making a bunch of TV shows when they started doing that at this point, you know, they, they won me over.
Frank: no, I mean, we haven't canceled. The price has gone up. How many times now? Over the last few years I'm not
Scott: going to, I'm not gonna do it. Yeah. I'm still like every now and then I'll be like, man, I haven't checked Netflix for new stuff in a long time.
Mm-hmm and I, I tend to check Amazon more often, but also Amazon tries to trick you show you a bunch of movies that cost money. Yeah. They throw '
Frank: em in
, it's still the same. Plus, [:Yeah. Your fucking app works HBO. You are not a contestant in this fucking Hulu.
Frank: I really do like you too, but why don't you save my place in my movie? Your
Scott: TV shows. Oh, for real. And my friend who's an engineer told me that it was just that like Netflix is paying to have those bigger things, cash. They stream quicker to you and you get less fuckups and stuff like that.
And I think that's important. Yeah, no, I mean, don't fuck up me watching something. And
Frank: I'm looking for seamless when I'm spending 35 to 45 minutes in the menus. yeah, for real, if I'm trying to memorize your catalog, so I know what I'm not gonna watch. I want to go through without
Scott: any hiccups. Yeah.
Something I can appreciate doing this podcast is I'm getting a little bit more back into that. Like just fucking watch. Like it caught your eye. Just watch
Frank: it. Yeah. I've gotten into the, like I said, I was watching Groundhog day. I put on speed. So you're going
Scott: comfort food. I
Frank: think so. Yeah. I don't know what it, I guess I'm right there.
I'm at a [:Scott: see those oldies, but goodies. Oh, I wanna take chances more often. that's the thing that, that, that bothers me about the way I watch TV now.
And it's different, you know, when I watch stuff with Kelly, I can't be. That looks fucked up, you know, and then just go for it. Like I can when I'm just sitting in my office by myself, but I wanna, I wanna be a little more impulsive about the things I pick, which, you know, I want to break free. It mean I want to break free.
I want to,
Frank: I'm not gonna do it.
Scott: and is so you've tickets to Jurassic world dominion. I have to see that in the theater
Frank: I've been waiting. I watched the first, well, the last two Jurassic worlds to catch up. Did
Scott: you see every Jurassic park movie in the movie theater when it was out one, two,
Frank: not okay. All of them.
Like all five so far? Yeah. Yeah, not three. Oh, okay. Not the tale. Leoni. William H
kay. Because that's the kind [:Frank: one of my first, probably 10 DVD purchases with my first DVD player that I bought senior year in high school.
Scott: I probably won't go see top gun cuz I just don't fucking care. I think
Frank: I'm gonna see it next Friday. Go, go see it with a coworker. Yeah, we're gonna go check out
Scott: top gun, but there's certain things like I prefer to see a mission impossible movie in the theater because I remember thinking mission impossible too was great.
And then watching it again, on DVD and being like, this is this sucks.
Frank: So I'm not caught up on mission impossible. I'm not caught up. I think I'm, I've seen it was for the Phantom or the, the Abrams. Yeah. Ghost protocols. Yes. Ghost protocol. That's it. I'm all Phantom.
Scott: I, I like him, man. Not Billy Zane. I don't have a problem with Tom cruise as an actor.
Yeah. Like I don't wanna fucking hang out with a guy he's got that same Ben F like thing. Oh, you, I read an articles trying to be a person. Um, track
Frank: stars were, um, rating his running. Yeah. This article, they were like, you know, Tom cruise runs a lot in his movies. Like how is his running? And they talk to like a couple like former Olympians and other
Scott: stuff.
[:Frank: seen that.
Scott: Oh, my God. It's good. Jamie Fox is so good in it too. I feel like that. One's not a big streamer. No, I, I don't
Frank: see it around. That's probably why I've only
Scott: watched it once. I own that one though. Do you? I've watched it multiple times. Oh, okay. Yeah. I really, I really liked collateral. You know, that's what we should
Frank: do sometimes is movies we own.
Scott: Oh, that would be kind of weird. cause my wife was, gives me Faults for owning so many movies. She's like, you never watched these. And I'm like, when the internet goes out, there's something there. Yeah. You will thank me. Yes. Or like if you got the flu Uhhuh, you know, and you just like kind of look over and you're like, what can I watch?
I'm gonna fall asleep.
Frank: Well, we didn't always have digital. That's what there was. And I watched a fucking ton
Scott: of movies. There was a time where I like, I wanted that collection.
s proud of my boxes that the [:Scott: came in still am. Yeah, I still
Frank: am. Um, I, I saved them after I went to binder
Scott: and then I re oh, the binder is, is daunting.
there. Yeah. Cause I have a, I have one of those, like, so we have
Frank: three binders of the DVDs and then
Scott: mine holds a thousand. It's almost full. Oh. Because when I worked at a video store, I also owned. A, uh, DVD burner and a rip program. And so I would say I'd bring my laptop to work and just rip things. , I'd fucking burn movies the whole time.
So like, while working at the videos, stop working at the video store because it's not like fucking, that guy was going and buying them like the, through the proper channels. like he was going to Costco and buying movies on new release day and then like renting 'em and getting away with that. Yeah.
wood were doing. No, sir. Oh [:Frank: I missed pre streets. Did you have that at ILO video? Would you get the movies in before the release date? Like new releases? No, because he would go
Scott: buy and store.
Oh, at the movie store? No, no like, yeah, he, he was doing that Faults crooked. Yeah. Um, he actually, he got arrested for buying a bunch of DVDs off a guy on the street two days after I was like, you know, you're supposed to take people's IDs. When you buy stuff from them, they followed a guy there and busted him, buying a bunch of stolen Faults from the dude.
And they called me at my other job. And they were like, yeah. And they had like torn the place apart. Like I was like, what the fuck? Over movies. Yeah. And me and this other guy that I worked with, we had to like put the fucking video store back together and it was all cuz he did this. Stupid kid. You don't know what you're talking about? Faults.
Faults to me, like two days before. And I was like, I don't know about you, man, but I am poor and in college. So I sell Faults all the time and you need to take IDs for things and he just didn't do it. Right. And he got fucking arrested. So
tore was not like that. They [:We
Scott: didn't get screeners or anything
Frank: like that. Oh yeah. We call them pre streets. We get the video games too, but you could not play the video game before the
Scott: release date. Well, nowadays don't they like lock you out. I mean, I've gotten video games before they came out from
Frank: Amazon. You weren't supposed to know you could do it like a day before.
Sometimes. Sometimes.
Scott: Yeah. Cause they like time zone things to like disconnect from the internet and stuff like that. Don't there's
Frank: update. Yeah. And they're what are they, what were they gonna do to you? So many
Scott: people yeah. What, what they gonna, I played cyber punk. Two days before it came out. We
Frank: see a guy just outside Austin playing the new Tony Hawk.
It's a week early. Get him.
xcited to see Jurassic world.[:No, can't wait. That's a movie I wanna see in the theater. I cannot stress enough that if you're thinking about going to a movie theater and you haven't seen a movie yet, go see fucking everything everywhere. All at once. Fantastic movie theater to her movie in the best sense of the word. But Jurassic world is the flip side of that coin.
I'm gonna see dinosaurs, man. Yeah, fucking dinosaurs. my mom took me to see that when I was a kid. Yeah. I think she took my sister too. And it's scared the fuck out of her. But man, when that came out on VHS, I watched it over like just rewind and watch it again. Yeah.
Frank: So I got a, my mom took me at midnight, uh, when it was released on VHS, we went at midnight so I could buy Jurassic park on VHS the release night.
Did
Scott: you see it in the theater too? Yes.
Frank: Okay. Buying it was almost cooler cuz I got to
Scott: take it home with the logo and the solid black. Yeah. Oh yeah. That was it's it's it's the logo on a black case. Yeah. There's some VHS I've hung onto too. I have the shell case. Wide. Oh, the wide screen edition, wide screen.
Frank: does it have deleted
TV for years, just to like, [:Frank: if I could have saved one for, you know, these, you know, the PS two that we have and stuff like that, it's just, sometimes it's not the same on a new one, no matter what you do,
Scott: that's like watching it.
Well, that's part of the reason I own a VHS player, but I don't watch VHS very often even stuff that never came out any other way, because it looks like Faults on a new TV. Yeah. It's horrible. And it looked fine on an old tube TV. You know, now I'm all
Frank: about clarity. And I think back, like when I'd watch a movie on an afternoon, you know, Saturday, Sunday, afternoon, sunlight's just coming through the blinds.
It's right there on the TV with that VHS quality. I. What was the quality
t had the dial Olympia click.[:Why does he have that TV? Like, why does it look fucking high depth? because they like green screened this fucking TV. Well,
Frank: and that tied into the whole, why did they green screen half the Faults they green
Scott: screen in that movie. True. True. Absolutely. But today we watched Faults, which, uh, I kind of strong, armed this one into the rotation
Frank: you did.
And I, you know, when I came over last time, you have to watch this
Scott: trailer. I was, was so persisted about me watching this trailer. I haven't been this excited about like, when I watched a trailer and I showed it to somebody else over the weekend before I watched the movie and I got goosebumps again.
Frank: Yeah.
And as soon as it started, I knew. I knew by the way, there, there will be spoilers as always. Yeah.
Scott: And I really liked this movie. I really, I liked it too. I liked the movie. Yeah. My, my sixth senses where the hair stood up on the back of my neck was dead fucking on with this movie.
Frank: Yeah. This one was good.
This one was good. It did have a high score on IMDB. Oh, did it? 6.7. See, yeah, I
hear like, I'm a fan of Mary [:Yeah. They were married. And he's from here from two years younger than us. Yeah. So we were probably in the same room with him at some point, cuz this is not a big city or at least it wasn. Then it wasn't huge us and this director were 13, 14 years old. drinking at keg parties.
Frank: keg stand on the fitness
Scott: machine.
I bet he was around, but yeah, instinct the video store clerk instinct kicked in and I was right. I really enjoyed this. I really enjoy this. So we're not gonna have a discussion at the end of this about whether or not it's a good movie.
Frank: Yeah. We'll let you know ahead of time cuz
Scott: watch it. If you started this episode and we're talking about it.
Yeah. Read a description, go if you like it, go for it. Yeah. This one's worth the gamble. Even if you watch the trailer for this. And you're like, oh, I don't know about that. Like this movie's deeply funny. And
Frank: remind me about that. Cuz I said something during the trailer here and I was not wrong. Oh really?
I was very right. Oh really? [:Scott: formula. I'll try to remember. I'll make a note. I'm mad at them
Frank: sometimes. Anyway. Agreed. We'll get back
Scott: to that. We'll run through it real quick. Yeah. Yeah. Frank gives us a summary
Frank: down on his cult D programmer, Ansel Roth.
Uh, his name is Leland Orser in real life. And this is one of those guys that you've seen in a ton of things. We'll get into that in a little bit. I have a whole list. He's got a whole list
Scott: ready for us to go. And it's not even a fraction of what he's
Frank: been in. Yes, just so many. And you'll you see him? You know, he's been in a ton of things.
So this col D programmer he's approached by two parents, played by Chris Ellis and Beth grant. Two people that have also been.
Scott: I fucking love Beth grant. She has, she's got that face.
Frank: She's in the best. She's so good. And even that Chris Ellis guy is so many things and we'll get into these. Sorry. I won't get off too much.
Um, their daughter, Claire played by, uh, Mary Elizabeth Winsted. She recently joined a cult. They're concerned. Um, they've read this guy's book.
Scott: the first book, the first book, the first book. I don't sign that one anymore. Yeah.
e story a little later, too. [:Terry played by uncle Rico. from nap. John grease,
Scott: John grease. I let's, let's go with John grease also. We're
Frank: gonna call him uncle Rico been in a few flicks, but I, yeah, I know him as uncle Rico.
Scott: Oh man. He was really, goodness never
Frank: threw a stake at my head anyway. um, he gets his henchman, Mick played by Lance Reddick, who is another guy who's
in
Scott: everything.
Fringe. He's got very, uh, yellowish red eyes. Yeah. He's a very intense, tall, thin he was in the wire. Which I never watched, but I know because everybody told
Frank: me well, yeah. And do you know what else he was in? do you know what else he was in?
Scott: Go ahead. I, I know castle .
Frank: He was in castle. This is the castle connection.
You gonna say castle, this is the castle connection
Scott: for this movie. Look, Frank. Everyone in the world was in castle. No, you brought it up and you let me, me and you were the only people who weren't in castle.
t like that's fucking Grey's [:Geez.
Scott: Is that still going? Hang onto your dreams. Yeah. Okay. I haven't watched it, but. He slimed down from that chubby castle Faults. Oh, well, you
Frank: go Nathan filling, do your thing, man. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking get it. Thanks. Mal uncle Rico gets his henchman Mick to show up. Uh, they rattle his cage. They threaten him. He owes them money and apparently something fell through with the other book deal that something else we come across later at this point, Ansel hires his own muscle.
Cuz he's got money from Claire's parents. They go kidnap Claire from a grocery store, parking lot, drive her to a motel hours away. And then they begin with the process of deprogramming. You know, I wanted to mention this guy. Ansel is so crazy. I love the way how they emphasize like the road rage. Yeah. On the, on the way to do the kidnapping.
Oh yeah. It just, it's a nice character setup. You're starting to feel who this
Scott: guy is. Yeah. Not only was he just a fantastic actor, but his character develops in the most subtle
otes, there's just right off [:Scott: the movie and I should say I took maybe three notes to remember in this movie because I sort of just sat there and stared at the TV.
Frank: Yeah. I took, I took maybe a third of the notes I took for moon fall.
Scott: Yeah. I did not dissect this movie at all.
Frank: No, I, I enjoyed it more than anything. I was watching it and I would make a note when I had time. Yeah. They get her to. Hotel. It's the crappy motel as Claire begins to open up, claiming her level in the cult has given her the power to teleport Ansel's deaths and guilt over previous deprogramming that resulted in a subject suicide close in around him.
This guy starts breaking
Scott: down at the beginning of the movie. We saw, he gets beat up by a heckler when he's giving a talk.
Frank: Yeah. He gets the Faults beat out of him by heckler at
Scott: his seminar. Yeah. AJ Bowen, who was in the signal, not the Lawrence Fishburn signal, the other, the signal, the three part where the, did you ever see this?
And then it takes, it's like [:Frank: to Pty pool. Was that a PNY pool situation. It was
Scott: sorta like Pty pool, Pty pool is so good.
Yeah. Pty pool's probably, that was one of those streaming gems.
Frank: It had the, the pace of what is it? The vast of
Scott: night vest of night. Yeah. I feel vest of night was intense.
Frank: Did you see what that was a crazy
Scott: connection. Yeah. Know, I knew exactly what you, you meant like yeah. All those movies and this movie share something.
And if you follow that,
Frank: we can chill.
Scott: yeah, we can be friends
Frank: so, um, they're at this, you know, low end motel. He's gonna do the deprogramming. Um, he's gotten rid of the muscle, the, he got a hotel room with an adjoining room where the parents are right next door. So, so they can be a part of the process. Um, Claire's father becomes increasingly controlling of the situation and his daughter, it.
n the motel, almost from the [:Scott: demeanor, you know? Yeah. Was sort of, uh, submissive when he first yeah. Seems like a normal for help. You're all that we have left.
Yeah. Older
Frank: dad. You can tell, he is probably got some money concerned about his daughter. You picture like a farm girl who ran away because she was, you know, bored on the farm. Yeah. That's, that's kind of the feeling that I got from the situation. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. But not quite a bunny Lebowski situation.
no, , you know, I can get you a toe Ansel begins to break down himself even more. He finds Claire to be the only one that appears to understand. So you're starting to get this, he brought her there for the deprogramming, but then they're almost on this brilliant
Scott: cult symbolism right there. Yeah.
Frank: Because it's, you know, it's the whole.
Swaying of the decision.
e, because some of 'em super [:That's like ninja turtles level, like weird. It was a bunch of super scientists and they were trying to cut the police department in half with a laser. true. They released Sarah gas in the Tokyo, but these were like super educated people in this cult taken LSD. And nobody did that in Japan at the time.
Frank: Yeah. I mean, you don't necessarily have to believe of asteroids coming or by matching shoes, but it's more fun if you do. It's more fun if you do. Hey, go to the mixer. Yeah. Try
Scott: the juice. The flip side of that is like the apple white heavens gate people who are just sad or they're just like sad star Trek nerds that.
Just who else will be my friend if I
Frank: leave. Yeah. Well, at this point in the movie, Ansel starts to break down even more. Um, him and Claire, they kind of get on the same level. And then really, there's no way to talk about this movie without talking about the twist of the climax. Uh, yeah,
Scott: so like we said, spoilers and spoilers.
Yeah. [:Frank: And what's for a second. I thought it was an hour and 45 minutes and I was almost like, but then I saw that it was an hour and a half and I was like, it just felt better. It really did. I
Scott: don't know what it was.
Well, when I checked to see like, uh, Kelly had to get up and pee at some point mm-hmm and I paused the movie and I was. Okay. This has been a full hour. We only have a half hour left to go. Faults is gonna get really fucking weird, which it did in that last half hour. Oh my goodness.
Frank: So I, I mean at the hotel, well, I mean, a lot goes down.
He starts to deprogramming, but you can tell she's up to something. I, I had a
Scott: weird feeling. Yeah. You kind of don't know. She has so much faith in what she believes in has bought into mm-hmm that she's like, this is fine. Five days, whatever. She agrees to it really quickly. And then really the big twist. I didn't see that coming.
Frank: No. I mean, leading up to it the first night it's awkward and there's, there's this weird tension.
Scott: Yeah. And she plays this, like I'm in love with this cult thing, so, well,
Frank: [:Scott: Yeah. And Mary Elizabeth wins is a very glassy-eyed human being.
So she already, yeah. Oh God. I could go on about the amazing Faults that she has been in for hours. Yeah. 10 Cloverfield lane blew my fucking sock. 10
Frank: Clover. She was in Fargo. One of the seasons of Fargo on TV. Oh, season three.
Scott: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Frank: And she did so good in
Scott: that. Yeah. So good. We'll have watched season four of that.
I need to the Chris rock season. Yeah. It was tough for me. It it's super far back in time, right? Yes. Okay.
Frank: And it just had a different vibe, like it had a different field
Scott: to more of a Miller's crossing era.
It
Frank: didn't draw me in, you know, the other ones hooked almost immediately. The Chris rock one. I, I need to go
Scott: back.
I need, need to give another shot. Restored my faith in Billy Bob Thornton. yes, it truly did. Did so good. Yeah. And Martin Freeman was so good in that first season.
Frank: It's been a while since I've seen those four. I need to try it again. I'll I'll give it another shot one day, you know, when I get there.
Scott: Yeah.
[:Frank: man. Okay.
Scott: I'll have to look out for that. Yeah. There was a gap probably cuz of the pandemic, but I think 20, 20, some of it aired and I don't know, they made reference to it and uh, Peacemaker. Oh, oh man. It, it was a really, it was like a good, like, I can't do it this day cuz that's the day Fargos on and he's like, it's not on that day.
It's on, on Wednesday or
Frank: something like that. awesome. Oh
Scott: man. Yeah. Written and directed by Riley Stearns. This is first feature film. He directed the art of self defense and dual, which is out now on AMC. Plus I haven't watched it yet. I will. I'm a huge fan. Now I, I have to go back and watch art of self defense.
Again, if you haven't watched it, you should watch. No,
Frank: I saw that in there and I mean, if anything, I feel like I've seen that cover
mm amazing. And he, vivarium [:Frank: good.
Scott: Vivarium blew me the fuck away.
Frank: I did watch one about a, it it's this guy who worked on wall street and they were trying to put up these satellites turned out to be a fictional story. Oh, I think, I believe it had just Eisenberg. I watched it when we were on vacation, you know, like on my phone on Netflix, I was like, I just have to watch a
Scott: movie.
I think he's a guy who's gotten some weird casting here and there, but as a rule, like he's, he's very good in things.
Frank: Yeah. I thought that movie was going somewhere. I wish I could remember the name, but yeah, it's. I watched that whole thing on vacation, on my phone in bed.
Scott: I feel like back in the day, I used to think he was like dime store, Michael, Sarah, and I no longer feel that way.
like, not at all, you know, you, you couldn't swap them for everything, but there was a time where I was like, well, so you couldn't get Michael, Sarah.
Frank: Like, uh, okay. Zombieland
Scott: Zombieland could have been Michael Sarah. See, I could see, but see the inverse of that is, uh, Jesse Eisenberg and Scott Pilgrim wouldn't have worked.
No, there's almost like a Walter math out quality, but that is
Frank: Michael [:Scott: a movie full of people who are the background characters in other movies, all of them, they, other than Mary said, obviously Leland, Orser has been in so many things.
The most probably impact that he's had on me in my life was, uh, seven. The scene he's in seven is the most traumatizing. There's a lot of traumatizing scenes in seven, but when he's doing that, I fucked her. Oh yeah. And he's like sweating and naked in that interrogation room. Mm-hmm where he with the knife DDO and all that.
Very believable. That Faults fucked. Yeah. Up when I was younger. Oh my God. He should have gotten a fucking Oscar for best supporting actor for the three minutes. He was in that fucking movie. holy fuck. And in this he's not likable. And you're not really rooting for
at the restaurant, I have a [:Scott: yeah.
Like right out of the gate, you're like, oh, he's an
Frank: asshole. Yeah. And then he pulls out this crumpled ass voucher, which turns out, he'd use the night before, snuck it outta the trash and then tried to reuse it a second night. And when they tell
Scott: him this hotel room, he should have already checked out again.
He's not there for two nights, despite the fact that he hasn't given us talk yet. Yeah. he steals like the towels and the fucking batteries out of the remote battery
Frank: out of the remote. Yeah. You know, you're, you know, I was
Scott: trying to figure out if he stole that Dolly, it just looked
Frank: a little too new for him to have, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Probably he probably picked it up in an alley after he ran out on the
Scott: bill somewhere else, all of his stuff and the Dolly in the car and then sleeps in the
Frank: parking lot anyway, sleeps in the parking lot of the hotel. He didn't have a second night at his manager was supposed to book multiple nights.
Yeah. But
Scott: I remember he was in independence day. Yep. That's
Frank: that was the most recent, just split second. That was the most recent thing I saw him in for like a second. And I was like, oh, that's it. That's that guy.
of the red shirt that's with [:Yeah. But he's, uh, sort of a main character. He is not part of the like Ron Pearlman crew. But, oh, he was one of the,
Frank: he was the guy who was in, uh, what, like, uh, the sleep state. Yes, they froze. Cuz they were gonna use him to hatch one.
Scott: Perfect. For him. Yeah. If I listed all of the TV he's been in, it would be crazy.
Most notably. I remember he was in star Trek, DS nine. And then when I looked it up, he's in multiple episodes. It's different characters, full like alien face, face. Yeah. Prosthetics and
Frank: runaway jury. I haven't seen that one
Scott: in a long time. He was the bad guy in the bone collector. Really? He was the murderer.
I don't remember that one. Spoil. For 25 year old movie, the, yeah, Pearl Harbor background character. Uh he's in all three taken movies. I don't even remember him being, I don't remember him being taken at all. Not at all. And how are
Frank: you in all three? He's an all three. He must be like a voice on the phone or something.
Where's
Scott: a bad guy or the bad guy. I, and you know, I'm
not gonna lie. I only saw it [:Scott: that, that was a one trick movie. And your set of skills. Yeah, it wasn't enough. It, it, it's not, it's not a fucking Indiana Jones movie, man.
Frank: Yeah. And I mean, his very particular set of skills seems to be in a lot of movies he's doing so, I mean, I don't know how particular they are.
Scott: No, but it came outta nowhere when it started. But
Frank: well, he, well, he said he was gonna retire from action movies and he keeps putting out the same movie with a different title.
Scott: It's no, John wick. No, but the first
Frank: one was taken, had its place. And that was cool. Yeah, for sure. There's a John wick four on the way, by the way.
I, I don't know about that. No. I mean, they were losing me at two, three. I love the mystique of the first
Scott: one, the first like half hour of the first John wick movie was. Yeah. I mean, that's not even crazy.
Frank: It's just, cuz it's not even a mystique. It's just, it just felt a little more natural. The whole thing like, oh, there's this guy, the dog, you know, the coins meant something, you know, he's always flipping.
And then through the second and third one, the coins are just like, you know, might as well be tokens
from an old arcade. They're [:Frank: okay, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not even gonna try and fuck with you on that one.
That's that's just Jesus. No, I feel you, man. No, go for it. I know I've yeah. I've watched some things sometimes that I'm not 100% proud of, but I do. And
Scott: I'll talk about it. Yeah. I am a man. be a man. The other things would note he was in, uh, uh, Leland. ORs are not, uh, Liam neons.
Frank: yeah. Let's yeah. Let's reel it back in from all Liam.
Yeah.
Scott: So he was in the guest mm-hmm uh, devil's candy. Mm-hmm see the devil's candy. I saw all those
Frank: on there. You don't have mine. Oh,
Scott: What was yours? Very bad things. Oh fuck. Yeah. I loved him in very bad things. I tried to grab something from each year. Yeah. And that's the thing is he was in multiple songs.
his TV list, it's daunting. [:Yes.
Frank: The, the guy, the main scientist went crazy or some Faults, right? Yes. Yes. He's in that one. He's the main scientist I was
Scott: shut up. I'm pretty sure I remember the episode. Very vividly Uhhuh , but I can't. And I remember him being in it, but I can't totally like map out the yeah. Episode of my
Frank: brain. I, I was gonna ask you which one and and hope that you knew, and I'm so glad that you knew which one are new.
Scott: Okay. A significant amount of lines in the. You know who, wasn't just a guy in the
Frank: background, I'm gonna start X files again. I'm gonna do it. Oh, do it. I'm gonna do it. And I'm starting. I'm not, I won't start at one.
Scott: I like, I like to start at three we're. We're gonna get real off topic with this movie because it was a great movie.
d about it. Like, yeah, it's [:Frank: deprogrammer he
Scott: takes her in there, but oh God, he was, it was deeply fucking funny. John Greece, uncle Rico. I've never seen him act like this. Mm-hmm because he is a flamboyant
Frank: photographer slash money man manager,
Scott: book manager. But what he's mad at him about is legit.
You, you gave your book to your ex-wife and your divorce. Yeah. Gave the
Frank: rights to his first, first book that was successful. The guy owed him money. Yeah. He talked him into a loan to self-publish
Scott: the second book. Nothing an answer does is forgivable. No,
Frank: he's not. He's not a likable guy. You can tell he is got his problems.
He's falling apart. And
Scott: the movie raised a bunch of questions, which I thought was great. Cuz I was like, was she like that? He programming. I also Kelly kept being like, what year is it? What year is it? And I feel like it had to be the
Frank: eighties. I'm saying eighties, not seven. Yeah. I would say eighties, clothing wise.
Yeah. Clothing in, I mean, his car was what? Either like a gremlin or something
e carpet color with paneling [:Frank: on the walls paneling. Yeah. Yeah. I felt eighties more than seventies. Um, don't ask me. I just felt eighties
Scott: about maybe early eighties. Yeah.
Because I, I can't remember his name, but the guy who wrote the big cult deprogrammer book mm-hmm that, that was around that time. So that would've make sense. That was a time of, of cults. Yeah. You know, seventies, eighties, Satan. Did it. Satan made the kids do it. Yeah. This just, just before the satanic panic.
Lots of cult stuff going on. Yeah. Now cults are weird. Yeah. Now it's different. Like female cult leaders are very rare. There have been instances of it, but I'm fascinated with that. as far as like one day, I would like to write something kind of scary that involves like a female cult leader. because I just don't think it happens very often.
And I don't know what that says about like, you know, there's not a lot of female serial killers who are caught anyway. Yeah. I
Frank: guess the cult leaders were always more traditional in, in their values.
Scott: they wanted to fuck a bunch of people . Yeah. Like, except for Marshall, apple, white. Who, who technically.
t was T and DOE they started [:Frank: Remember when that guy from the store was emailing the remaining members. Yeah. Yeah. You knew that, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was showing me the emails and he was like trolling them and I'm like, That
Scott: they're not fucking fucking people, those police them alone. God.
Frank: Yeah. And I mean, really, they were part of a cult that made, you know, a big decision and you're fucking with them. Well, I feel
Scott: like with that, they, they didn't make that decision all at once either.
You know, like it was like one at a, like a couple at a time. And, and like the, the way they were dressed, it was just my,
Frank: that was train of thought was maybe not fuck with the last remaining members of a cult that made
Scott: worldwide I too bad for them because the ones that are still around, like, I feel like a lot of those people in that cult committed suicide because they were like, all my friends just did it.
Well,
Frank: they were talking. That's all I have. Well, yeah. And they were talking to 'em about sending him the tapes cuz you know, they'll still let you, you know, check out their tapes
s. That is one nerdy fucking [:But then there's like, uh, I think children of God. Was, uh, England. I don't know. I may be wrong about some of these things I I've read entirely too much
Frank: about. See, I never did a lot of research on them. I just I'm from Texas. So I know about those guys up in
Scott: Waco. I mean the most recent, uh, female cult thing, there's a, there's a social media one.
She was like, picture yourself. Dead. And she was making like videos online. Oh God. So that, that that's a new way cults happen. They don't even have to be centralized at this point, but then there was the, the mother goddess lady that they found dead last year. Jesus
Frank: man. No, I don't know about
Scott: any of these.
This was just some white trash lady. Who had a bunch of followers in Colorado they'd come live on her compound the way they ended up finding her body. Apparently it had been mummified and covered in glitter. damn, but like she had like a fucking horrible drinking problem. And then she didn't allow any of the people who were there and they came and went, but it seemed like it was more of a come to my house in Colorado and wait on me and I'll be sort of abusive.
And they did [:But she was a trashy piece of Faults. That one was really strange. Had no idea. Yeah. But a cult red led by a woman, but glitter though, too. She actually motivated. Yeah. So kinda stuck. She like glitter in her eyes and stuff. Like she was mummified in her bed. Holy. And they like wrapped her in, uh, Christmas lights covered in glitter.
And it was like all embedded in her eyeballs. And,
Frank: you know, speaking of tales from the Crip, just saying that sounds like a fucking
for real though, right? Outta:Frank: Yeah. Wrapped in Christmas
Scott: lights, coated and glitter. Yeah. But with this one, I was. Is she the leader or she said the leader's name was IRA.
e part of it the whole time. [:Three, despite the fact that they all killed themselves, just kind of sad. Yeah. Jim Jones drank that Faults at gunpoint. Let's all go to south America. That's a whole other level, but I like this kind of, uh, this was a fun cult. Yeah. I mean, it ended in suicide, but , it was still when the movie ended. I wasn't absolutely certain whether or not I was happy that nothing supernatural had occurred.
Yeah. That it had been a lot of seated doubt and stuff like that. Mm-hmm but then at the same time, it was kind of gnarly and brilliant that they did it that way. Yeah. God, when he fucking beats that dude to death, boom trailer, you told me that you were like, I just hope that's not her. He's beating
Frank: with the, no, I, I hope that's not towards the end of the movie.
Scott: Oh yeah. You did say that. Yeah. And it was trailer
Frank: formula. [:Scott: And that was the climax of the movie. It
Frank: was. And I hundred percent, as soon as I saw his emotion in the trailer, I was like, that's fucking at the end of the movie, man.
Like, I was like, why are they? Because I've got this memory where I lock onto Faults. I mean, so when I watch trailers, I'm, I, I really dissect it and I'm holding onto things and I'm like, uh, I can't turn it off. Normally when we watch them at home, if I'm interested after the first couple scenes, I'm like, okay, stop, stop me too.
With this
Scott: one, stop, stop. I couldn't stop watching
Frank: the trailer. I know. And with you just cuz I was here, not at my house, I forgot to do the stop stop. And we watched the whole thing and sure, fucking enough that scene, I
Scott: didn't even mean to show you the whole trailer it was like this, how we watch it productive.
This movie was to me. Yeah. The build up and the
Frank: trailer is enough to get you interested. Like I was like,
Scott: I really wanna see this fucking movie. Yeah. And it didn't disappoint, which is why I, I kind of, I was like, I know I picked moon fall, but we're watching this Faults.
because I got exactly what I [:Frank: parts in the movie where you think like, maybe she, or it makes you question like, okay, is she invisible or is somebody helping her out?
Because there's a scene where she's locked in a hotel room with the parents. Yeah. And at the time I saw and I'm air quoting
Scott: parents, all of that weirdness was so well done with that. I'm diverting your attention cuz you're like, The dad is abusive. Something you felt like there was
Frank: something weird.
Scott: You start to like,
Frank: he went from this wholesome older dad to, oh, this guy's got some fucking problems.
He's like, no, where
Scott: that, yeah. I don't like the way you're doing this. You know, I know what's going on
Frank: behind that door. She goes, change clothes. He's like, what do you think? And he is like, tell her she's beautiful when she comes out. And he's like, who's paying who here. It's like, whoa, that's not the fucking dad from the diner.
Scott: It stirred me up quite a bit. Yeah. Cause I was like, fuck, was he like abusive? Yeah. Was he? Cause she's like
ht shorts and the shirt that [:Right.
Scott: This is so funny. Yeah. But some of the way he delivered some of that Faults was so
Frank: funny. Yeah. He really is good. And to see him in a lead role. That's awesome. He, oh yeah. Fantastic. So good. Cuz he's always just that guy with independence day recently, I was like, oh, he's one of the guys operating in the room.
Like he was in it for two minutes.
Scott: Yeah. One of the things I forgot to mention, he's uh, a. The cop in brand new cherry flavor, which, yeah, I love brand new cherry flavor. I need to check that out too. I, I haven't told Frank anything about that because I just it's fucking so
Frank: nuts now. I'll get there. Once I get off my, uh, my
Scott: oldest kick, that's not one you're gonna.
Want a risk being like Olympia. Let's watch this show. that Scott recommended. I can watch that by myself. That's no doubt. Yeah. Yeah. Take that. And, uh, she's she's gonna be like, God, it's weird and get up and leave
an, it, I felt so anxious at [:Scott: But it was that kind of like I'm grinning. Yeah. Well, I'm so tense. You're like,
Frank: oh, who's gonna fuck up. Why is he? Because it went, he asked for the money after what, one night. That was a lot of awkward. Yeah. And that's when he leaves. And the whole thing with the D program was he switched the lock on the bathroom door to where you could lock someone in no windows in it.
So that was like the safe room to make sure she didn't escape. He gets back. That's when she's on the porch in front of the door, you know, that was another one of those times. He starts to believe. I
Scott: wanted to believe, can we just do a quick, like, you know, this isn't gonna be an entry point into the podcast.
We gave you warning your interest. This movie, I wanted to do this podcast about it's it's this is what I'm looking for.
Frank: It was a sleeper. Yeah. It, what? It went to film F I saw a south
Scott: by bass, premiered it south by, I, I didn't see a whole lot of stuff about it, like winning awards, but it should have, yeah.
t premiered it south by what?:Scott: 2014. Yeah. He didn't make another movie until 2019 when he made art of self defense. And, uh, yeah, somebody should have told me about this when I saw. [00:47:00] He was the main character in this movie. Mm-hmm that was the, I was like, what? the guy from seven. He's always gonna be that guy from seven because that very bad
Frank: things, even
Scott: I need to watch very bad things again.
I, I think I only saw that man around the time, kill the hooker in the hotel room. They kill the hooker in the hotel.
Frank: Yeah. Jay Moore in that one. No, no, no. Jay Moore.
Scott: It's Christian Slater in a similar movie. Oh yeah. Christian Slater.
Frank: Yeah. It's Christian Slater. And then, uh, what's his name?
Scott: Daniel stern. You know what I'm thinking of as suicide?
Kings,
Frank: suicide, Kings fucking man. I that's a good one. Christopher walkin and powder. Oh yeah. That's got what's his name? Faults
Scott: powder. Sean Patrick Flannery.
Frank: Sean, pat. There you go. Yeah, he was also in girl boondock saints with Dominique Swain. Mm-hmm I got fucked.
Scott: I don't know if you ever saw a girl, you'd have to tell me more about it.
It was one of those movies. It was like, it was that one might have passed through my phone. It
Frank: was on a video shelf once. And I was like, let's check this out, Sean, Patrick Flannery, and a girl named Dominic Swain.
Scott: I feel like I'm [:And it just meant I shelved it. Dominic. We did it around the story.
Frank: The girl in it was the daughter, John Travolta's daughter, and face off. Okay. I don't know. Maybe somebody could really tell, I know who the Dominic
Scott: Swain
Frank: is. I think that's her name. I'm pretty sure it, I was confident when I said it. Yeah.
Yeah. I think her name's Dominic Swain girl, daughter, and face off. And I can't think of, was she in job breaker? No, no, no, not Jawbreaker. Never. John's
Scott: daughter face off girl. It's only because I mentioned Jawbreaker earlier that it even popped into your brain. I know I, Jawbreaker is fucking great. Yeah.
It's a good one. It's been a long
Frank: time. That was a high
Scott: school movie, huh? Yeah. It had that kinda spirit of like a, and I could never remember the name of it, but I think it's called nowhere. Nowhere. Do you remember nowhere? It was that kind of like Greg ACHI feeling. Yeah, we were talking about it. Cause
Frank: like the guy from independence day again.
Sorry, but the son, you know, John, uh, Donny Darco, Frank, the rabbit. That guy.
that. Other I'd never known [:I heard it a bunch of times. Mm-hmm I was like, didn't even try to remember it this time. and the only reason I remembered it just now was because you said Spiner SP .
Frank: Oh, cuz that's the guy from go. Yeah. And see, he'll always be the guy from go cuz when he just pops in the bedroom naked trying to pick up Jay Moore or the other guy.
Oh yeah. they're trying to like sell the discount furniture
Scott: and goods or whatever. God, everything is connected. Hey, more suicide Kings. Yeah, I do need to watch go again. So I have it on DVD. I , I think I might have it on VHS. Ooh, you beat me. Yeah, that was a, that was a long time ago that have some weird things on VHS.
Still. I have V the original series. Oh, the, the TV. Oh yeah. On TV series. Like the box, the older one. What is that
Frank: eighties? That was eighties, right? Or
much younger than, but then [:The remake was, well, there was like another V sometime in between. And then they made it again after lost, when they were like trying, they were like, oh, people like science fiction. Let's bring this one back. Yeah. Let's bring. And they shouldn't have, so was that a three timer? I think the second time was a direct sequel.
Can't I, I can't be sure. I can't remember it fully. Yeah. But I enjoyed watching the original one. Yeah. In the same sense that I can go back and watch the stand mini series every
Frank: now and then it's been a long time. It's got that chick from talk, talk radio. What was that show news, radio news, radio talk, radio
Scott: news, radio.
Amber herd plays her character in the new one and she did a fantastic job. I know people have a lot of opinions about Amber herd, but in that stand many series, she killed that part. Yeah. Well, perfect for her. She lost, I don't want express opinions about, you know, people that's gonna be like one of those things like Lorena, you know, people are getting tattoos.
e Battlestar tattoos, like , [:Frank: tattoo is my battle. Is it really? Yeah. That's my only one
Scott: still. Oh, wait, I have a Dr. Who tattoo and a Melvin's tattoo.
You know what I wanna get next? Don't regret any of them, but I would, if I got a fucking Johnny Depp, Amber herd trial tattoo, what the fuck is wrong with you? I've seen a couple. What kind of weird voy are you? If you get that tattoo,
Frank: it's so random. Oh, and this one on my thighs from O J's case back in 95.
You got, you got the white Bronco on my knee. Yeah. Oh look. There's the black glove right there. Full
Scott: sleeve OJ Simpson trial.
Frank: it says like the juices loose down your path.
Scott: no, um, man. Yeah, but this movie was also listed as a horror movie on Amazon and I don't get the fuck outta here. He qualifies as a horror movie, not
Frank: a horror movie.
She made him lick her face. [:Scott: I'm not gonna lie for his split. Second. I was like, is her sweat magical? I
Frank: bet it is. Well, she comes out bottomless. Did you notice that? Oh yeah. She's Donald Ducken slightly seduces gets him to lick her face. He goes into hypnosis, wakes up. He sees. Failed TV show. And it's him interviewing the girl that he failed during deprogramming
Scott: dad.
Quotation marks is fucking her on the bed
Frank: while fucking her on the bed while the mother watches. And Ansel's in the chair and Beth Grant's faced
Scott: in during that scene. Did you see it? She's just doing that Beth grant smile, but
Frank: perfectly still. And it was probably the slowest, the slowest sex scene I've seen in a while.
I really thought it was a dream I did or, uh, hallucination mm-hmm you know, like something initiated. Yeah. Cuz
Scott: I was like, how, why would his TV show be on right now?
Frank: But then he wakes up fully dressed in the car downstairs and then comes like the reverse hypnosis in the bathroom. She completely flips the script.
Do you think the
Scott: parents unlocked the
Frank: bathroom [:Scott: levels, right. He was targeted and ripe for the pick. Apparently she just calls
Frank: him out and just kind of chips away
Scott: at him. If you've watched any documentaries about cults, the Keith Rainier documentary, even I know I've talked, I didn't make it through NEX.
Those fucking Nexium people are whacked. Even the ones that got out they're they're Hollywood sick of fans, man. But he did the same thing, you know? Yeah. And that, that's what that lady cult leader, big quotation marks cult leader on social media version of that. And I'm sure there'll be halts that are disembodied someday.
Yeah. And I'm sure that we're moving into a time when there would be more female cult leaders, maybe easier than the men mm-hmm but the female I'd be more likely to follow a female cult later
Frank: than a man. Oh yeah. I mean, if I were to go that route yeah. That would make
Scott: it easier. Easier. For some reason, if somebody told me they had a hard line on the universe and they were a man, I would doubt them immediately.
but if they were a woman, I might be no, man. I'm all
Frank: [:Scott: something I do, the men have had their time. Yeah. Let the women call leaders thrive. It's time. Let's get a better one than mother got us though. Or mother God or man I've never heard of. Yeah, look
Frank: it up. Look it up and watch some of videos, mother.
And then I'm gonna end up on a fucking watch list
Scott: too. Probably stupid hippies. It's stupid, stupid hippies, stupid hippies in Colorado. And not even a good part of Colorado, like around Pueblo or some Faults, you know,
Frank: yeah, man. Why don't you just take it down a couple? Yeah. knock away.
Scott: Pulos one of those cities where you like get into Colorado and you're like this.
This could be St. Louis, like outside St. Louis somewhere. Was there an art rotting factories, and you know, you haven't really got into like, oh, Colorado's beautiful yet. You're like, this is the desert. This is Missouri. Yeah. This could be Missouri. for sure.
Frank: Oh man. But yeah, so, you know, he teaches about being in control and that's what doesn't need to happen, but it's like he had her in
Scott: control once again, deserves a fucking Oscar for that beating just, yeah,
Frank: he's
Scott: just standing there.
railer. And that was because [:Frank: intense. Yeah. It was a huge climax. You really felt it. I,
Scott: my wife did point out, uh, this should have been more blood, but this was not a gory movie. This was not a violent movie. This type of movie is my favorite thing to find.
Yeah, it was
Frank: great. I mean,
Scott: it was so funny. She was God. So
Frank: dark. And then the question is she sought him out. Is that because of his relation to cults? You know, if anything, I know that that's what we're left ponder, but I mean, I kind
Scott: of, I like the. Left with a lot of questions, part of it. Yeah. Cause
Frank: once you realize, oh Faults, this was her the
Scott: whole time.
Yeah. Cause if you can leave me that many questions and still provide such a satisfying ending
Frank: because she got, she has money. She got money for props, you know, she got the guy 10 grand. She paid for the muscle, the hotel rooms. She's got cash flow. She's got followers willing to take the pill after they do her, her,
Scott: her work.
hat little, that was a weird [:Frank: doing it.
Those were his guys. Yeah. He knew somebody local.
Scott: Yeah. and, and some of the way they delivered, some of those lines was hilarious. The black guy, he was like, I'm not gonna lie. I took catnap here and there took, and he was like, the reason I'm telling you is. She could have done something. And there was that long pause for, well, no Faults, dude.
Yeah.
Frank: thanks for the play by play. But no, everything fell into place. I knew that she was plotting. I really did have a sense that she was plotting cuz they emphasized how strong she
Scott: had become. Yeah. And, but they seeded enough doubt where she was like, I wanna stay cuz I could teach my parents something.
I believed that at the time. Yeah. The breadcrumbs were there. Yeah. I, I, there were breadcrumbs. I'm gonna watch this movie again. I wanted to watch said something about
Because those are like her, [:So yeah. Go have old pop. Yeah. And they were like, we took care of him. Yeah. Take care of him. Yeah. Yeah. You won't be hearing from him
Scott: again. It was a good movie. Well, fucking done. Riley Sterns. Can't wait to watch fucking dual from Texas. I cannot wait to watch it. I am a fan our age
Frank: guy now Geiers guy's two years younger than us.
He's making magic.
Scott: Yeah. It makes me wish. I was like, I should have written movies because publishing a novel takes fucking decades.
Frank: well, unless you borrow money from Terry and self publish.
Scott: I haven't gotten to that point yet. I can find you at Terry. I will start stealing towels. I, I can find you. I can go ahead now. Stealing towels now
Frank: and all the little conditioners
Scott: did, uh, remote controls ever have nine volt batteries in that was strange. I have lots of friends that are born in the seventies and we're probably, yeah.
Did your clicker
Frank: have a nine volt, a nine volt
heavily used. Was it even a [:We need them for our smoke detectors and I still don't understand. And this is a big qualm with me in the fucking nineties. You could find your cordless phone. I can push a button on my apple watch and find my phone. Mm-hmm . Why can't I push button on my fucking TV and find my remote
Frank: I'm right there with you.
What the fuck? It's crossed my mind before. It's so obvious. Mm-hmm yeah. It's like, yeah. I mean, why should we have to slap a fucking apple
Scott: air tag on that thing? Looking for the fucking remote in both
Frank: rooms, we just got a TV in the bedroom a couple months ago. Again, mm-hmm since we moved to the new house.
Yeah. It just happened. Like, you know, that's the one thing we did during black Friday, because we were like, we need a TV for the bedroom. Yeah. And I
Scott: can download apps now for both my TVs. I'm not gonna do that. She fell
Frank: asleep and the remote was just gone. And I like looked on the floor, looked
Scott: under the, to that point where you were like, do I flip her.
Well, funny story. [:Frank: Well, no, we just gave up for days. It wasn't in there. She was gonna sleep watching TV on her laptop cuz you know, that's the thing about TVs nowadays you lose the remote. You're kind of fucked. A lot of 'em don't have buttons. There's no button anymore.
Scott: For some reason, my TV in my living room updated and the power button doesn't work anymore.
The power button is now a menu button. Well, yeah, I mean, and there's already a menu button, so I know what the fuck that's about. Well, I remember
Frank: back in the good old days you had your volume, you train your power and your
Scott: input in this movie. They had those TVs. The knob. Yeah, the clicks.
Frank: Yeah, the knob.
That's why that's I was thinking maybe it was a clicker, like an actual clicker, you know, they called 'em clickers. Cuz they used to go click, click with the big silver buttons. Yeah. Um, pre remote
Scott: yeah. What I always wanted when I was a kid was one of those big wooden TVs. That's what
Frank: I had at my mom's. We had the wooden one.
Oh, really? Growing up, we had the, the TV with the big ass wooden frame. And you could put pictures and Faults on top of it, cuz it was like a dresser. It was like a table.
Scott: Yeah. Yeah,
Frank: no, no. We had one for
We had that TV. I bet those [:Frank: her
Scott: dad's TV. That was like a piece of antique furniture.
Frank: I remember as a kid watching them struggle to move it. Yeah. It was a piece of furniture with a fucking big tube TV
Scott: in meanwhile, those big screen TVs that every now and then you still see on the side of the road with a sign that says free and you're like, John's gonna take that fucking, my
Frank: aunt had one of those.
I remember that was the coolest Faults back the rear projection.
Scott: Yeah. Like giant thing with burn your fucking Nintendo and 90 to 94.
Frank: Those were like the Faults like you were rich if you had one of those. Yeah.
Scott: Those things were light as fuck you just pick one up and run with it if you well, and those would break
Frank: easy too.
Scott: Those screens were flimsy. Yeah. You poke right through 'em you were it, it was a real movie screen. Yeah, basically. Mm-hmm but did we pick a movie? No. Did you have one of your Frank magic tricks
Frank: written? No, I didn't. Cuz you shut me down last time. Oh
Scott: yeah. I, I strong armed to this. Yeah. You muscled me up.
You're too glad in a though. Didn't you?
Frank: No, I'm, I'm glad for FA I'm much. I'm much happier about fault than moon fall
Scott: but I did like moon fall.
Frank: It had its per it's a [:Scott: that's the best part about moon fall was the contrast with Armageddon. So close you know, I feel like that was a nice palette cleanser.
Yeah. Like I was like, these kind of
Frank: movies are okay. Little more Mo. Yeah. Um, it's how I taught nineties action movies. Wouldn't be the same today. If they went off the same, you know, if they were made the same film the same. Yeah. Speed. For instance, it'd be hard to pull off speed these days. This
Scott: movie I'm glad it took place in the era.
It took place. Please. Don't remake speed. Oh God, please. Don't. You know what? Go ahead and remake speed too, though. That wasn't very good. Yeah. You could probably fix that one
Frank: for anybody who do listens and has a suggestion that, you know, can kind of follow. Maybe, maybe give us a shout. It's fucking something that you think we should fucking watch.
Yeah, absolutely.
Scott: If you know of a movie like this one that we haven't seen and you can slip that in there. I, I wanna know about it. I really do. And I mean, you know, yeah. Tweet at me at last clerks
Frank: in asterisk, this one did have a high IMDB
But I didn't even, I didn't [:Cause I found this one organically and was just trailer alone. It had me, I wanted to turn the trailer off halfway through and couldn't cause that trailer really got me. I kind of want
Frank: to go for newer again. Sure. Oh motherfucker.
Scott: This one was mighty old. So, uh, yeah. I half expected you to have the magic trick.
Ready
Frank: to go. No, I, I got, I got shut down. So I was like, it doesn't like my magic.
Scott: No, the reason that I was just too fucking excited,
Frank: I was gonna do something different every time. And then I lost my, I, I just didn't even click and then I thought you'd have another surprise. So check this out, GLE and Hael let's do that.
You wanna do GRE and Hael, let's do GLE and Hael I just saw it. I think it's still on Amazon. Yep.
Scott: All right. Grelin SEL because that's like
Frank: who the fuck watched grelin SEL I
Scott: certainly didn't. I didn't. I remember seeing the trailer and being like, yeah, watch that because
Frank: this is not the one with Hawkey.
This is not Hansel and Gretel. That's like van Helsing.
do legit horror movie. Yeah. [:And, uh, yeah, I'm done with that. Or anytime I.
Frank: Or if I hear like or yeah.
Scott: Are you doing the grudge or predator?
Frank: Thanks everyone for joining us for the last video store clerks podcast, be sure to leave a rating and subscribe. You can find us on Twitter @lastclerks, Instagram @thelastvideostoreclerks, and you can findScott @ dispatchesfromthepit.com.
