Phantoms (1998) - How did Affleck get elected sheriff?
Phantoms is a 1998 Dean Koontz creature feature. A doctor, her alcoholic sister, a small town former FBI Harvard graduate 27 year old elected official, and his pervert deputy. Oh! and Peter O'Toole!
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Phantoms
[:[00:00:09] Frank: Hollywood and the independent video
[:[00:00:22] Scott: Does this hold up? And just what the hell is a good movie anyway? I'm Frank Roll. I'm Scott Moran. And we're the Last Video Store Clerks.
[:[00:00:39] Frank: Paint you like one of them French girls. Like, do you get it? Yeah. You haven't seen it though. Transitively. I've got it on VHS somewhere. It's Olympia's
[:[00:00:54] Scott: Because I cover it up with my hand. So I watched Scary Movie 2 and 3. 2?
[:[00:01:03] Scott: Okay. You know,
[:[00:01:11] Scott: Uh, Signs. Was that the Signs one? Charlie Sheen and Simon Rex. Simon Rex was in it. For some reason there's a bunch of 8 Mile shit.
[:[00:01:25] Scott: four as well. Those two? So, three is when the naked gun guy takes over. Leslie Nielsen. The Waynes are not in it. They don't have anything to do with it. Well, is that
[:[00:01:39] Scott: I've watched them a lot.
[:[00:01:45] Frank: See, so I think I did. It's just, of course, you've seen the older ones more. You know. Yeah. It happens. I feel like the Simon Rex, Charlie Sheen thing is what started to confuse me as to what came in what movie. Like something about them being in one or
[:[00:01:59] Scott: That shit was good. It was on point. If you're a fan of Signs, those jokes are really good. Cause they did the, like. M. Night pulls up and he like drives off like all erratic, like after the killed your wife part. They do it
[:[00:02:16] Scott: And Denise Richards is the wife.
[:[00:02:22] Frank: Yes. We watched that one on a whim. It was so good. It was
[:[00:02:44] Frank: Wow, you've got White Chicks and Weekend at Bernie's in the same Weekend at Bernie's
[:[00:02:53] Frank: about Andrew McCarthy doing a documentary. Like him in the, what were they called? The Brat Pack? Um, because, uh, who was it?
[:[00:03:09] Scott: Breakfast Club kids. Yeah, those, all those kids. Yeah. The Good Days. The Good Days. I finished Killing Eve, finally.
[:[00:03:40] Scott: Cause it was good, I enjoyed the whole ride. It was one of the better shows I've watched in the last five
[:[00:03:49] Scott: Four seasons. Down the hatch. It's always a victory. And then, uh, I'm watching 30 Coins, because it's back for season two, which is a Spanish horror series on HBO, which if it was not subtitled, we would be talking about it like it was fucking Game of Thrones.
[:[00:04:11] Frank: that Americans just need everything dubbed? It is
[:[00:04:23] Frank: that.
[:[00:04:27] Scott: No, it's the 30 coins that Judas was paid to rat out Jesus and they have like fucked up got it like Abilities and all these bad people from like a alternate dimension are coming. There's like demons. It's fucking Really well done, really well produced, pretty scary too, at times.
[:[00:05:12] Scott: So you've been doing some shows. Yeah, I have. Uh, more on the show side of things than, uh, Mostly, like, my movie ing has been re watching horror movies or trying to find things that fall through the cracks. And that'll keep up for a while. Fall just does that to me. It doesn't have to be October. I'll do it all the way to, like, Christmas.
[:[00:05:40] Frank: to a guy from Vermont the other day, man. He made me jealous about October in Vermont.
[:[00:05:46] Frank: said October is fucking perfect for Vermont.
[:[00:05:55] Frank: surprise, surprise,
[:[00:06:01] Scott: Well, you
[:[00:06:14] Frank: And I picked up on it. So I was like, yeah, okay, see you later. Um, anyway. But, um, anything else? That it? That, I
[:[00:06:32] Frank: So, I'm glad you said that because I turned one off this week. Really? It was my new one. I've been, I'll get to my comfort stuff. Uh, but my new one was War of the Worlds, The Attack. Have you seen that
[:[00:06:50] Scott: No man, this
is
[:[00:06:56] Scott: what it's called. Was it like a straight to video
[:[00:07:09] Frank: I was like, okay, let's do this. I mean, and I'm sorry anybody listening liked it. Fuck, man. I haven't just turned one off in a minute, but I was like, I, I only have so much time now. So I went back to comfort watching the only other new thing I did watch. That's right. I did do too. True Crime. The Murda murders, the lawyer and Seth and stuff.
[:[00:07:32] Scott: It was three. Me and my wife were both like, the fuck is second season of of that show.
[:[00:07:50] Frank: It, you know.
[:[00:08:05] Frank: the Hulu one, right? Yeah, it's at the top of my q2.
[:[00:08:09] Scott: Yes, holy shit.
[:[00:08:28] Scott: pretty fucking good.
[:[00:08:35] Frank: Well, I don't go for it. I went back to the comfort zone, like other stuff that I watched this week, cause really it was like during bedtime. Starship Troopers, Land of the Lost, and The Dark Knight
[:[00:08:50] Frank: I love any of those to go to sleep to.
[:[00:08:57] Frank: go right away, I'll watch it. As soon as I doze off once, wake up, turn it off, I'm good. I can pick it up the next night.
[:[00:09:06] Scott: Al Pacino? Yeah, he's so sleepy. I really wanted to watch some of the movies that it recommended to me underneath Phantoms. I
[:[00:09:25] Scott: Mine was Below, the submarine movie. Oh, wait.
[:[00:09:30] Frank: It was
[:[00:09:50] Scott: The guy who starts the his name is Robert Paul. Oh, uh, Holt
[:[00:10:02] Scott: in it. That
[:[00:10:08] Scott: I watched it when I worked at the video store.
[:[00:10:11] Frank: looks familiar right there. Maybe I did see this.
[:[00:10:18] Frank: Or it just like touches on a submarine in the story, but it's not really like, in the
[:[00:10:30] Scott: You want it
[:[00:10:32] Scott: It's of a certain time. You know, there
[:[00:10:44] Scott: movie. I remember the trailers for this movie, and then I remember it disappearing, and then I saw it...
[:[00:10:53] Frank: the thing. I don't remember it being at the theaters and being like, Oh, I want to go see that at the theater. Like that definitely wasn't a thing with me
[:[00:11:04] Scott: Probably
[:[00:11:08] Scott: one. That's one of those weird time frames for you. Like, you watch, you re watched a lot of random stuff right around then.
[:[00:11:22] Scott: those times.
[:[00:11:26] Frank: You said you saw this early 2000s, probably like 2000 for sure. Oh, two. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, the first time I saw this probably wasn't until like, Oh, five, Oh, six, at least if not like an Oh, eight
[:[00:11:40] Frank: pick.
[:[00:11:48] Scott: I also remember like the empty streets and stuff like that. Ben
[:[00:11:53] Scott: officer. This was not a time when I trusted Ben Affleck very well. That is probably why I didn't see it when it came out.
[:[00:12:01] Frank: Armageddon also 98? I feel like Armageddon was also 98. So, I mean, he had to have been working on this around the time. Yes, Armageddon was
[:[00:12:09] Frank: So, he was working on this before, after, or during Armageddon, possibly?
[:[00:12:20] Scott: He
[:[00:12:24] Scott: then Sheriff's Department? Oh, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about it. I have it. I have some, some things. How
[:[00:12:36] Scott: But I thought this would be really fun to do for Halloween cause who the fuck is gonna do Phantoms, right?
[:[00:12:58] Frank: they take out when that's on TV.
[:[00:13:09] Frank: it's a good time.
[:[00:13:18] Scott: It's a fun little weird horror movie. I enjoyed it. It was super fun. Dr. Jennifer Paley takes Lisa, her sister with a drinking problem, out of L. A. To a town called Snowfield, Colorado. Not a lot of thought went into that name for that town. And that's how you know that Dean Kuntz is not Stephen King. Ha ha ha
[:[00:13:42] Scott: But when they arrive, everyone in the town has gone missing, or is dead, bloated, purple, and decapitated. They're soon found by far too young to be a former FBI agent, Sheriff Bryce Hammond, and his deputies Stu and Steve. They're investigating. Well, no shit, man. I know,
[:[00:14:07] Scott: the town.
[:[00:14:32] Scott: Flight is the only clue they've found, and then they get cut off, and then these creepy crawlers come out of nowhere and kill both deputies. Like within 10 minutes and things get pretty fucking fun after that. The town is being consumed by an ancient underground evil that absorbs the knowledge of all those it kills and now Having consumed a bunch of small town church folk believing that it's the devil It wants Flint to make it famous and write a gospel
[:[00:15:02] Frank: I mean lipstick on the mirror, right?
[:[00:15:11] Frank: it, it, like, it was trying
[:[00:15:31] Scott: Dean Kuntz is like, I'm gonna write a book about this fucking monster, and I'm just gonna populate it with the same old people every time. Like, the sheriff, the scientist, strong woman character, at one point or another makes someone very afraid they're going to be raped. Almost every fucking
[:[00:15:48] Frank: Uh, what's... Stu.
[:[00:15:53] Frank: How is Leif Schreiber so good at being, uh, like, creepy?
[:[00:16:03] Frank: it was good. There were a couple of little things that I remember till right when they happened, but yeah, no, he was good for the role.
[:[00:16:19] Scott: the author's fault. It does have a little bit more, like, fun 90s Dean Koontz stuff. Cause he gets a little, like, funnier.
[:[00:16:26] Frank: goofy in there. I mean, there's like a, there's an essay of, like, a dead body in a bed. Almost. You know what I mean? Uh huh. Like, that dead body's getting essayed by Creepy Stu. The sheriff's deputy. But it's...
[:[00:16:46] Frank: And man, you know it from the get go.
[:[00:16:53] Scott: Peter O'Toole.
[:[00:16:57] Scott: He brought some
[:[00:17:07] Frank: Like I can see him in the suit in
[:[00:17:16] Frank: parts and was he in High Spirits with Steve Guttenberg and Daryl Hannah? I believe so. Yeah, I think Peter O'Toole was in that too. This made me think of that and I didn't check on it, but I was like, when's the last time I watched High Spirits?
[:[00:17:28] Scott: Guttenberg, probably back when it was appropriate to watch that. Yeah
[:[00:17:38] Scott: feel like his character was more of a doctor in the book, not a weekly
[:[00:17:45] Frank: Look, you know what I mean? It's like a distressed look. And with those big blue eyes on that old face freaks me out, man. It's like a fucking pug that needs to go to the vet. I feel like
[:[00:17:59] Frank: no, it was Donald Sutherland guys back. It was Donald Sutherland.
[:[00:18:08] Scott: I was affected. You think everything is the Mandela effect. That name is so familiar. Berenstain.
[:[00:18:32] Frank: And I was like, you make me want to go measure fucking buses, lady. That's some House of Leaves shit. That one's all over the place, people. But I was just like, no, I mean, but if you really fucking think about it, like, I want to go measure a fucking bus. Anyway, we'll get off that. Uh, Rose McGowan as, uh, That's where we're at.
[:[00:18:59] Scott: mean, I just called him Stew in the thing. Yeah, but
[:[00:19:05] Scott: Eh, Dinkoons.
[:[00:19:09] Frank: I want the backstory on Wargle. Uh, Ben Affleck plays Sheriff Bryce Hammond, a Harvard graduate, former FBI agent, now sheriff's deputy or sheriff? Was he the
[:[00:19:24] Frank: 26, 27 and he's already been through all that? Yeah. The standards for the FBI must have been a little lower back then in 98.
[:[00:19:30] Scott: Stephen King sheriffs are always 35 to 50 years
[:[00:19:43] Scott: Technically, he's been in a movie with Ben Affleck. Uh, Dazed and Confused? Yes!
[:[00:19:52] Frank: Scream
[:[00:20:04] Frank: footage? I don't think so. I think you might be right. Damn, well, they were both in scream.
[:[00:20:10] Scott: to hear something funny? Uh, one of the 10 star reviews on IMDb was just I really like that Rose McGowan and Liev Schreiber were both in scream. That was the whole review for this movie So
[:[00:20:28] Scott: 10. I read the 10 star reviews And I don't want to make fun of anyone cuz If this is your favorite movie, fucking awesome.
[:[00:20:50] Scott: David Copperfield. But, so I was looking at Oh my god, that has to be a Dean Coons joke. Of course. It's such a dad joke, motherfucker. It's like rapey dad jokes.
[:[00:21:04] Frank: And it went. It worked. It was just fine. Nobody gave a fuck. When I saw, uh, General Copperfield pop up, I was like, Oh shit, it's Pinky! Next Friday. If you did the Fridays back in the da Was that him? Yeah, he was fucking Pinky in Next Friday, dude. But then I'm like, you know what? He's been in a lot of shit.
[:[00:21:27] Scott: Hendrickson amount. How many did he have?
[:[00:21:30] Scott: I don't remember, but it was in the 180 range. This is
[:[00:21:38] Scott: Hot damn. Two 50, fucking nine. So yeah,
[:[00:21:51] Scott: plays two
[:[00:21:56] Frank: But yeah, in addition, Bo Hopkins and Robert Knepper. Bri really appears FBI agents, Hawthorne and Wilson
[:[00:22:05] Frank: got a, that face is...
[:[00:22:16] Frank: You know, if this was an 80s movie, I would, I would agree with that. He had the
[:[00:22:24] Frank: Well, I mean, he had that FBI cleverness to see the article on his desk while they're talking to him and give it
[:[00:22:35] Scott: Like, I was like, oh
[:[00:22:40] Scott: He was very young in this too. I didn't look,
[:[00:22:49] Scott: Yeah, what is that? It does have a 27 percent audience score on... Rotten Tomatoes, that doesn't make it any more clear what's happening, which is why I read the 10 star reviews.
[:[00:23:15] Scott: movie. No, and decent budget for its time period.
[:[00:23:25] Frank: It's most famous for the line in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back where Jay tells Ben Affleck he was the bomb in Phantoms. And he wasn't
[:[00:23:41] Scott: Who's Kyle Chandler? The coach from Friday Night Lights. Oh, okay. He's also a sheriff in, uh, Super 8. I
[:[00:23:50] Scott: remember his name. Yeah, early edition. Likes coffee? Um.
[:[00:23:59] Scott: movie because why the fuck not man any other podcasts doing phantoms for Halloween We'll go love
[:[00:24:15] Scott: I don't think I ever thought this one was scary, but I always thought this was an enjoyable movie to watch
[:[00:24:24] Frank: You get the jump, you know, like, Oh shit. I
[:[00:24:39] Frank: when you break it down. It most closely resembles petroleum jelly. So, you know, like, you know, all alien movies, like,
[:[00:24:48] Scott: You can fuck this one alone. It's
[:[00:25:12] Frank: That's one of the times when he gives the look like, Oh,
[:[00:25:33] Scott: It's all there. But it's also not also Lisa in the book is much younger, but the same creepiness happens like she's like 14 15
[:[00:25:47] Scott: creepiness feels violent in the book. You know, we're talking about do you remember the miniseries intensity? No. It was a Dean Koontz miniseries.
[:[00:26:03] Frank: This is called Intensity?
[:[00:26:15] Scott: Oh,
[:[00:26:19] Scott: it was around that time in the 90s. Okay. No, man, but I remember watching it and being like yeah, cuz I was all stoked about like I watched Tommy knockers when I was on Dean Koonce I was like my dad reads that guy too. And then I watched it.
[:[00:26:34] Frank: kidnappy. What's the guy's name in Langoliers? Jimmy? Smiths? Tommy
[:[00:26:41] Frank: Tommy Knockers was Jimmy Smiths. Yeah. Langoliers was the guy from, uh, well,
[:[00:26:51] Frank: uh.
[:[00:26:58] Scott: No, he was He was in the show with that other
[:[00:27:09] Scott: Yeah, he's carrying that paper.
[:[00:27:31] Scott: But what kind of doctor is Jennifer? I can't even remember from the book. I think she was a medical
[:[00:27:45] Scott: Yeah, or I wouldn't have been crazy surprised if she was a veterinarian, you know, because that could have played into the story here.
[:[00:27:52] Frank: you're a veterinarian in a small town, you don't have the old house office in the middle of town. You have the ranch just outside the city limits. I guess you're right.
[:[00:28:07] Frank: You never know when you're going to go pee in the woods to scare the deer
[:[00:28:15] Frank: always there. And how'd you like the little alley, the little alley scene where they walk along the side?
[:[00:28:23] Frank: Where my mind went is, like, they don't let people have cool little dirt alleyways like that next to the building. Everything's got a goddamn sidewalk now. You know what I mean? I haven't seen cool shit like that, like a dirt alley down the
[:[00:28:33] Scott: Yeah, but they're in South Park, so. A little quiet mountain town. Yeah. How about them heads, though? They were not cooked. Flump, flump. They should have been cooked, man. They left
[:[00:28:53] Frank: But yeah, the pies are smoking, like insinuating that they've began to burn.
[:[00:29:04] Frank: And their blood was normal blood. It wasn't the...
[:[00:29:11] Frank: man. Yeah, I Wasn't even I think I somehow turned it off Did you see that
[:[00:29:21] Frank: the fuck
[:[00:29:32] Frank: I'd say my biggest one was towards the end They come up with a plan for something but he goes to that keypad How has Ben all of a sudden trained up how to unlock these fucking mobile labs? You know when he walks and he's got the creepy fucking dog watching him.
[:[00:29:51] Scott: So in
[:[00:30:07] Scott: Um, which probably was a little like Dean Coons thing here and there where he was like, uh, you know.
[:[00:30:17] Frank: why does he carry around the newspaper clipping of the kid that he murdered, or shot, who had a toy gun? It's explained. It's explained. You know, and then they showed me the lab. Yeah, I got a tour on the way.
[:[00:30:32] Scott: If you've been sheriff for a couple years, also, by the way, you have to be elected sheriff. You didn't just get stationed there.
[:[00:30:45] Scott: sheriff and they called Liv Schreiber and, uh, what?
[:[00:30:53] Frank: Sheriff. Okay. No, well, you know how it is. It's like in the
[:[00:31:04] Frank: Any movie, then you know that if you were in the CIA, you go wherever you want.
[:[00:31:16] Scott: man. Come on. Which is why I fantasize constantly about becoming a small town sheriff. I really do. I constantly fantasize about it. It's my dream in life, is to become a small town
[:[00:31:30] Frank: Constables are also voted in. I mean, think about it, what kind of work do you do as a constable? I need to look that What does a constable consist Like, what do you do there?
[:[00:31:45] Frank: Well, you know, if you've seen Doc Hollywood
[:[00:31:51] Frank: Oh, man. Sweet Home Alabama No, I'm just playing. Fucking hate those movies so much. Hey, that's got the guy who's got the Home Depot voice in it,
[:[00:32:08] Frank: For a second I thought you said, Diabetes.
[:[00:32:21] Frank: yeah, the crazy, like, uh, indestructible
[:[00:32:32] Frank: So fast. I thought Nicky Cat would've had more than that. I thought he was gonna
[:[00:32:38] Frank: purple contacts. Oh, like their eyes?
[:[00:32:53] Scott: What's going on with the contacts in this movie? I
[:[00:32:58] Scott: recall. I think he was wearing like, purple or blue colored contact lenses. It was weird. I don't know, maybe it was just a weird light at the time I noticed or something? Cause he wasn't on camera as much, but I definitely was like, something is not...
[:[00:33:13] Frank: Well, and it's, it's one of those movies where the police station becomes like the, the safe place. You know, we talked about it once. You're like, okay, zombie apocalypse are into the world. Where do you go? I think I said police station.
[:[00:33:27] Frank: went there.
[:[00:33:30] Scott: And Rose McGowan inexplicably knows how to load a gun. And she's like the things you learn in LA and you're like, what the fuck does that mean? It's from the bad guys she was dating. Like, in the 90s, she was like, learning to fuckin L.
[:[00:33:59] Frank: it's cause when you date the bad boys, the bad boys to drink and be cool and
[:[00:34:08] Scott: Yeah, those
[:[00:34:16] Scott: readers. Yeah, they had that color to them. Like, it's like they're clear, but they're also brown.
[:[00:34:25] Scott: like they got old.
[:[00:34:35] Scott: And I like the ancient enemy
[:[00:34:38] Scott: up, uh, Roanoke? Yes. He did in the book. Did he? Yes. It's one of the things I specifically remember.
[:[00:34:48] Frank: Well, that's cool. I wonder if there was like a copyright that like was that in Stephen King enough at some point like similar situation They couldn't use it
[:[00:35:07] Scott: I certainly hope so.
[:[00:35:18] Frank: I'm gonna kill your dog. I'll
[:[00:35:26] Frank: Blockbuster for the first time. It's silly but
[:[00:35:29] Scott: Rented it at Blockbuster. Secret Window. It's pretty good. It's Stevie King. The
[:[00:35:35] Scott: Destero's outfit in that though. It's so cartoonish.
[:[00:35:43] Scott: At the midway point of this movie, it becomes Aliens for about... Twenty minutes. Like, we have Marines.
[:[00:36:00] Scott: Because they built it there. They just never showed it pull up. Oh yeah, it's like, oh
[:[00:36:11] Frank: The fact that it had like the glass fucking like Star Trek doors on the back, even though the whole thing was built like a tank. Like I almost felt like it was getting out of the pod in Outbreak, when
[:[00:36:25] Scott: That's how big it was. Yeah,
[:[00:36:32] Scott: I would like to believe that our government has that. It makes me feel safer.
[:[00:36:41] Scott: Yeah, but if they do, they probably don't.
[:[00:36:43] Frank: maybe even Cold War days. It's like some hardcore shit, man. Think about all those things they've fucked around with experimental, like, and it
[:[00:36:58] Scott: Does he
[:[00:37:00] Scott: Kuntz is a a dog guy. There's lots of dogs. I mean fucking, uh, Watchers with a golden retriever and the monster. Corey Haim has the dog. I don't know if I ever watched Watchers. God, you never saw Watchers? That's a good 80s Dean Kuntz movie. I've seen the Explorers.
[:[00:37:20] Scott: the same. I can't, you've never seen Watchers? I don't think so. Oh Jesus, we're gonna watch Watchers one of these days. Wow, that's a weird blind spot for you, I would have thought you saw that. That was like, right, that would have been an HBO movie for sure. I feel like you would watch part of Watchers and you would be like, oh wait a minute.
[:[00:37:41] Frank: there's a dog, and there's a
[:[00:37:53] Frank: Like, I'll never be able to watch Ladybugs again. What we need to find are the names of some of these fucking Corey Haim, Corey Feldman movies that I know I saw in Cinemax, but I have no idea what they were called.
[:[00:38:03] Frank: It was almost like soft porn, but Corey Haim and
[:[00:38:11] Frank: Dogs and Dean Kunt stuff. The first time you saw it, um, I feel like that may have been in the previews or the old trailers when it branches out and strings them up in the corners of the churches.
[:[00:38:21] Scott: it was ruined by CG a little bit. Like, I thought that the practical effects in the dog scene were solid enough that we didn't need. The extra CGI. Well, you know how
[:[00:38:39] Scott: did like that, and I liked when, uh, Copperfield pulls the glass out of his mouth.
[:[00:38:47] Scott: reforming or whatever you want to call it. out before he can talk. That was
[:[00:38:51] Scott: Like, that's some creepy shit. Yeah, more of what was scary about this movie is just the idea that there's... Some sort of HP Lovecraft thing under the earth.
[:[00:39:00] Frank: lurking. It's down there in the crevices. Just waiting to pop up, but it's intelligent
[:[00:39:20] Scott: Yeah, the doctors couldn't figure it out So the everyman has to come in and he has to be like, Oh, it's
[:[00:39:30] Scott: cocky. So we're gonna kick him
[:[00:39:37] Frank: Yeah, it
[:[00:39:46] Frank: So like, can we load up some, uh, syringes that can be launched out of these cool prototype guns filled with like Dawn soap, like what Dawn soap have done the same thing to help with the
[:[00:39:57] Scott: Ducks
[:[00:40:08] Scott: It's my favorite part of the movie. How low can you go? This one started with the humor in it was pretty good. Well, and And the tentacles look great.
[:[00:40:26] Frank: Yeah. But he's just having a good time. And I hopefully they had a good time on set. I
[:[00:40:35] Frank: seem to have fun with and his character was pretty uh, big part of the
[:[00:40:47] Frank: how could you forget those nails dude?
[:[00:41:04] Scott: It did like to watch. It was a watcher, man gets in the way. . Yeah.
[:[00:41:09] Scott: like how he pushes it outta the way, like it's a dog too with the, he's like, get the fuck outta my way.
[:[00:41:16] Frank: Um, how do these entities, these, uh, biological happenings, how do they, how do they like know to pick like the right group, like for this gospel? You know what I
[:[00:41:37] Scott: You know, he was like, yeah, I'm... So
[:[00:41:43] Scott: Well, that's what they were saying was it could have been that it never had fed on human beings before. So it never picked up that knowledge until this moment. And now it thought it was... A god. Because these people believed in god.
[:[00:42:05] Frank: Did you notice that Rose McGowan and Ben both have very defined chins? It made me want to watch me, myself, and Irene. And it, you know, what do you think? It's solid. Hate you a
[:[00:42:17] Scott: It's such
[:[00:42:28] Scott: Kirk Douglas.
[:[00:42:36] Frank: Like comical, like, I mean, fucking like Beetlejuice overbite. Yeah. You know, that weird
[:[00:42:44] Frank: you're saying? I never realized hers was that defined, you know, Ben is Ben, depending on how, what size he's at. It's, it differs a little, but you know, dude's got a solid square face.
[:[00:42:57] Frank: like, does he have veneers now? I'm
[:[00:43:03] Frank: those were his teeth.
[:[00:43:10] Scott: Like, they were straight, and that was all we did to them. And now everyone has these big, fake, fucking white teeth. People's teeth aren't white. Not in real life. And
[:[00:43:22] Scott: they're not that perfect. Yeah. He had normal human teeth. It's,
[:[00:43:32] Frank: They were supposed to be outside. It was like this like profile shot where I know exactly what you, that's nice. Yeah. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Nice. Didn't notice. I'm glad I'm not the only one. That's great. Uh, how about the leopard
[:[00:43:51] Scott: When he first made it like it was like the the insignia for some shitty Walmart swim trunks better than
[:[00:44:05] Scott: himself That human tornado looked fucking atrocious. That was one of those times, and it was at a time in history where I would have been like, Oh, you fucked it up with bad CGI.
[:[00:44:24] Frank: it's just
[:[00:44:33] Frank: Or, okay, how about the thing that was hanging on the wall in the Devil's Advocate? Yeah. In his office? Do you think that looked better than this? Like a Goya painting? But it, it changed. So do you think that that looked better than this tornado? Think about it long and hard. Devil's Advocate. Think about quality.
[:[00:44:58] Frank: tricky because, offhand, I would say the same thing. I think Devil's Advocate
[:[00:45:07] Scott: And I was like, I mean, why would you need to remake Dead Space? It looked great, you know? And then they showed me it, the old Dead Space, and I was like, oh! It looks really fucking bad. I'll have to look that up too. But you're looking at it with like, early 2000s eyes instead.
[:[00:45:24] Scott: remember things looking pretty good.
[:[00:45:31] Scott: Oh no. It
[:[00:45:34] Scott: at times. Well that's the thing is I think this kind of creeps me out too when I think about it. The book was
[:[00:45:48] Scott: Like Mr.
[:[00:45:58] Frank: water. This wasn't like a Pennywise thing? Hi, Georgie.
[:[00:46:13] Frank: That was McKinnon. It was Kellyanne Conway and she's like, Hey.
[:[00:46:24] Scott: Which is funny because this ends with a sewer boy. Yeah. I know, I thought that was kind of unnecessary to bring Rack around. We could have let Affleck go down in the sewer and kill something. We had to bring up the, this little boy from his newspaper. This pocket
[:[00:46:47] Frank: So like this, the final form that gets infected is the boy. It's not like this huge soul tornado.
[:[00:47:01] Frank: And it like freezes almost for a second, like slow motion freeze. But you're like, well, that was unnecessary.
[:[00:47:06] Scott: that saved the ridiculous, like hero ending was the documentary. Where he's like given the book of Timothy, basically, you know? Oh! At the very He, uh, he won. I'm gonna tell everyone. He's like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna write a book about this. Well,
[:[00:47:30] Scott: the late 90s.
[:[00:47:34] Frank: what it Yes. So do you think that that may have been some sort of weird spillover? To where, like, there was no other way to,
[:[00:47:45] Frank: Do you know that face I'm talking about that he makes?
[:[00:47:50] Scott: like, what I'm making a movie.
[:[00:48:04] Frank: They have the fucking movie. Anyway. So he was a great actor, you know, for his time. Is that controversial in some weird way? He's like, mid level,
[:[00:48:17] Frank: I mean, everybody's got the downward slope of the career,
[:[00:48:30] Scott: I don't think he picked her up. They gave you that like, like he's just chillin in a bar watchin a fuckin ancient aliens documentary. Eatin
[:[00:48:40] Scott: the cowgirl. That would have made more sense if it had blended in, but I actually thought it was a great ending for the movie.
[:[00:48:46] Frank: Uh, you know, it almost had like, uh, Tales from the
[:[00:48:55] Frank: And like, this movie probably could have used some Billy Zane. It
[:[00:49:05] Scott: With a little Billy Zane... It would have tied the room together. It really would have tied the room together. Liv Schreiber did a pretty good job. Nah, he did a great job. Come
[:[00:49:14] Scott: Stu. You know, if it was a little earlier in the 90s, it might have been Billy Zane. We didn't go as hard into the, like, scary shit, but man, Hell House, LLC.
[:[00:49:30] Frank: Hell House, LLC. If you would have watched it alone for the first time by yourself darkroom at night, that shit would have really fucked with
[:[00:49:43] Scott: Yeah,
[:[00:49:46] Scott: in the mouth of madness always fun though
[:[00:50:03] Frank: It was great Sam Neill Thank you for the versatility
[:[00:50:10] Frank: He's Sam Neill, man. I don't know. I heard, I heard something on somebody else's podcast. I forget whose it was, but they were talking about how, like, you know, like, did you know Liam Neeson is just like, apparently just very well known for getting shit face drunk and pissing himself in public.
[:[00:50:32] Frank: That's that's what it's like. You know, there's people like. You know, I hear that about Liam Neeson, and I'm like, man, what's, what's up with Sam Neill? Like, what's he like in the real world?
[:[00:51:00] Frank: Look, it's not the cult movie you think it
[:[00:51:16] Frank: You know how in basketball there's March Madness? Let's do March Madness like horror madness March Madness
[:[00:51:42] Scott: Yay Found footage horror movie by Ty West. Okay. Sort of a, uh, Jim Jones scenario. Ooh! And then we're gonna do a rental, because I think this will be a really good conversation. We're gonna watch Martyrs, which is a French horror movie that is pretty fucked up, man. Okay.
[:[00:52:07] Frank: Would that not blow your fucking mind? That would blow my
[:[00:52:24] Scott: We've done, uh, Faults. Check. Both were great. I'm sure more cult movies will pop up along the way. But I think this is going to be fun and also these are all kind of horror movies. That's cool. And then we'll lighten it up with Dutch, but Martyrs goes real hard, so we're gonna need something light after that.
[:[00:52:41] Scott: cleanse. Yeah, and then it'll be Christmas time, and we'll watch Christmas time, probably horror movies. But! And then we'll polish it all off with Die Hard vs. Home Alone.
[:[00:53:00] Frank: imagine if he's in the top of Nakatomi Tower, and the fucking Germans bust in and he just goes, AAAAAAAAHHHHH.
[:[00:53:22] Frank: and he's just crawling around the air ducts. Fuck you, Hans .
[:[00:53:29] Frank: eating Rubbish . Thanks everyone for joining us. For the last Video Store Clerks podcast, be sure to leave a rating and subscribe. You can find us on Twitter at last clerics Instagram at the last video store clerks, and you can find Scott at dispatches from the pit.com.
