Cosmopolis - Cronenberg's Not As Cronenberg Cronenberg

Cosmopolis - Cronenberg's Not So Cronenberg Cronenberg

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[00:00:09] Frank Roll: Blockbuster Hollywood and the independent video store

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[00:00:18] Scott Moran: Receive streaming services and ask the question, what the fuck is that? Does this hold up? And just, what the hell is a good movie? Anyway, I'm Frank Roll. I'm Scott Moran and we are the last

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[00:00:30] Scott Moran: What this

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[00:00:52] Scott Moran: or like you went to the convenience store next door and microwaved something?

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[00:00:56] Frank Roll: or even just like when they attempt to make shit like a fried mushroom, it's like, what the fuck is this mush?

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[00:01:04] Frank Roll: I don't know. Good bars can get it right and have delicious fried mushrooms. I hate mushrooms, so, oh, it's almost like a, it's like a fried mushroom to me is like a good way to test the quality of a kitchen at a.

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[00:01:17] Frank Roll: mushroom, a fried order of fried mushroom, you order a hamburger. No fried pickle. Maybe a hamburger is misleading because almost anybody can nail a good burger, but to make a fried mushroom from scratch and it be a quality fried mushroom, you just don't eat mushrooms. So maybe you don't

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[00:01:39] Frank Roll: because they can grow the fungus easy easily.

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[00:01:42] Scott Moran: How did we get, we haven't really be. We're just

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[00:01:58] Frank Roll: That's

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[00:02:15] Scott Moran: Uh, no it really bothers you a little bit, doesn't it? Common courtesies. ,

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[00:02:23] Scott Moran: So you didn't watch anything interesting

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[00:02:30] Scott Moran: I, I re-watched half a season of Fleabag, which is just one of my favorite shows ever made.

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[00:03:01] Scott Moran: And I've been trying to watch things again that aren't just science fiction or horror, because I do that constantly caught that

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[00:03:13] Scott Moran: a I'm a genre person. That's what I want for the most part. But there. are things that aren't genre like that, that I really enjoy.

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[00:03:42] Scott Moran: So, That I kind of wanted to rewatch. Anyway, that shows six or eight episodes of season two seasons. That's it. And that was her whole story that she wanted to tell, and it was really, really good. Is she British? Yeah, Brett Gelman is in it also. , are you looking up? Who? Brett Gelman is. .

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[00:04:03] Scott Moran: that dude.

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[00:04:20] Frank Roll: Yeah. No, I'm sorry. I'm just feeling That sounds exciting. And I just feel very boring. I didn't get time to squeeze in anything else. Like I said, we were, yeah, whatever. Shut

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[00:04:32] Frank Roll: you know how I had to split '

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[00:04:36] Scott Moran: But two movies in a week is pretty good when it comes to television shows. That's my jam knocking 'em out. Well see. When

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[00:04:46] Scott Moran: I knock. too many at a time. Mm-hmm. . That's why I've always had, like, I still watched a bunch of Fringe, still watching Fringe, a little episode here.

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[00:05:02] Frank Roll: some, Julia

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[00:05:21] Frank Roll: Well, and what time was it? Six? It was like 6:00 AM So you could start with like, good morning, Austin. Go local. Even.

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[00:05:35] Frank Roll: you never know who's gonna be on the local news for having awesome Christmas cards.

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[00:05:49] Frank Roll: I have a digital antenna for football that. So I can get Fox, cbs,

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[00:06:05] Frank Roll: Uh, that's the thing. I'm chunky and people are like, you're not fat. And I'm like that.

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[00:06:18] Frank Roll: Oh my God. I wish I remembered how much I weighed like freshman year in high school. That would be crazy if I could remember that. . Like there's just, it's a blank. Ooh. If I could find like that first driver's license from 16, I could take like 10

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[00:06:32] Frank Roll: Yeah. Years later, like you find a pair of kick wear, I tried to put mine onn, like I couldn't even get the button, like close to the little hole , the pair that I have, have I ever told you the, oh, the remaining kick wear pants that I have? Size 30. . Actually, they may have been a 28.

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[00:06:50] Frank Roll: sure.

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[00:06:55] Scott Moran: gotten bigger. I was a 31 for many years and it was really hard to find pants. No, right now, because they don't fucking make

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[00:07:06] Scott Moran: be a third grader.

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[00:07:10] Frank Roll: point. I think my posture was just that.

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[00:07:15] Frank Roll: It is . Um, I think it's the manual labor jobs, but we won't get into that. I

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[00:07:28] Scott Moran: Oh, wow. Uh, and I'm gonna watch that show from, which is, uh, a Jack Bender show who was one of the producers for Lost mm-hmm. . And it has, Marko in it. Oh, he's the main character. I think he's the sheriff of a town. But it's like a town that knowing once you go, you can't

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[00:07:48] Frank Roll: Right. I love a story that starts like that. Yes. I saw that preview. Oh, that's on MGM Plus. Yeah, but

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[00:08:06] Scott Moran: with, uh, her name is Daisy something. She was in that where the Crawdads sing and she was in fresh. She's the main, didn't see where the character is. Also Gabriel Byrne, isn't it? Oh, the two main characters of the show. Nice.

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[00:08:19] Scott Moran: long time. Hereditary. Oh, that's right. The bow is Fred Trailer.

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[00:08:27] Frank Roll: That looks really good, but was afraid.

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[00:08:41] Frank Roll: Revolutionary Road? Yeah,

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[00:08:46] Scott Moran: This is a good segue. Or what about, because how many things, how many times has suicide come up in the last like few movies? I feel like not uh, but some of the big ones. , including the movie we did today, cosmos. But I think there was like an edge of, uh, maybe not suicide so much as. Fear of death in white noise.

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[00:09:10] Frank Roll: definitely. Fear of death. Sorry, I had to zip to white noise. And then Nick's Michael Keaton. Then go to the right

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[00:09:27] Scott Moran: Yeah, just a uh, I will say Kronenberg handled it a lot better. They actually sounded like people sometimes, , whereas white noise. I was like, no one talks like this because I read the book Cosmos. Oh

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[00:09:47] Scott Moran: hitting the mark.

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[00:09:56] Frank Roll: movie. No, I wish I don't say it just because it's so trite, but I wish I could have the time. on this one. Really, honestly, I didn't

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[00:10:06] Frank Roll: watching it. I wish I could have the

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[00:10:09] Frank Roll: enjoyed reading the book.

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[00:10:14] Scott Moran: well that was the thing was like, uh, like Stephen King said once that there are books you read for the words and there are books you read for the story. And the one that has both, that one's really special. Mm-hmm. and I don't think there are many Don DeLillo books.

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[00:10:41] Frank Roll: interesting. The only part that I enjoyed was the batshit crazy stuff.

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[00:10:48] Scott Moran: Same with the, the book I. But I may have enjoyed the movie White Noise significantly. Uh,

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[00:10:59] Scott Moran: The sex scenes were weird. Give us a summary. We'll, we'll get into the details. Okay.

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[00:11:09] Scott Moran: Winslow Du Domain.

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[00:11:12] Frank Roll: Yeah.

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[00:11:30] Frank Roll: Cosmos follows 28 year old billionaire asset manager, Eric Packer, in a day long limousine truck across Manhattan to get a

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[00:11:39] Scott Moran: Yeah, , we could stop right there. That's what this movie's about. That's it.

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[00:11:56] Frank Roll: One that wants to kill him and one that just wants to hit him with a pie. Was that lemon meringue? I feel like that's what

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[00:12:02] Frank Roll: That movie was so erotic. I wanted it to have like jizz in it. Just to make it absurd, , because there were parts of this movie that were just nuts. They were just like, that's what kept me in there though.

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[00:12:17] Scott Moran: there's something else I wanna also, I had to watch it for this , it

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[00:12:23] Scott Moran: it and I was like, this is one of the first movies you added. To do on the podcast.

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[00:12:28] Frank Roll: this was, so you brought it up for this, but technically it was my request. But then you revived it. But then now I'm in a regret stage anyway,

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[00:12:39] Frank Roll: love me some Robert Patson.

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[00:12:48] Frank Roll: but such a good cast. We'll get there too. Eric is not concerned working from his car.

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[00:13:10] Frank Roll: A. in which they eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner together. I didn't put that together. It was the meals.

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[00:13:19] Frank Roll: Thank you. All three encounters. She accuses him of cheating and Eric tries to have sex with her, but is rejected every

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[00:13:27] Frank Roll: he confesses.

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[00:13:46] Scott Moran: were married until the diner part.

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[00:13:55] Frank Roll: cheater. Um, his journey eventually reaches the barber, but before the haircut, he is. and then kills his bodyguard for no real reason. The barber scolds Eric for coming to that part of town, unprotected and gives him a gun.

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[00:14:16] Scott Moran: ma'am, because this was very dense. Very dense. Cosmos is based on the novel of the same name by Don Delila. As I said, it was written and directed by David Kronenberg.

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[00:14:46] Frank Roll: Packer real quick. How the fuck were they gonna get Colin Ferrell to play a 28 year old in 2010?

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[00:14:53] Scott Moran: magic. I didn't picture him being 28 when I read the book. Yeah. So

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[00:14:57] Scott Moran: just, it was the prostate exam, man. He's gotta be like over 40, right? Mm-hmm. like around 50. Isn't that when you get a prostate exam? I don't know. I've already had two. They do it earlier and earlier nowadays.

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[00:15:10] Frank Roll: had other things going on. They were like, let's check it. And

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[00:15:13] Frank Roll: No . I mean, once was a dude, once was a chick. Both times I just feel like you need to have a session after where you talk to each other, you've experienced something together. , I feel like it shouldn't just be like, oh no, we'll get back to you, da da da da.

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[00:15:48] Scott Moran: Cosmos also stars Sarah Gaden as Elise Parker, Eric's wife, packer, packer.

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[00:15:59] Scott Moran: sorry. Paul Giani plays Benno. Kevin Durand as Tova, Eric's chief of. , that guy. I like that guy. He's

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[00:16:13] Scott Moran: crazy, he ones with lost Chris Pine. He was the, uh, crazy Charles sends him to the island.

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[00:16:25] Frank Roll: tell I've only watched Lost.

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[00:16:38] Scott Moran: Samantha Morton Precog as Eric's chief of theory, you didn't react to that. She was in Minority Report.

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[00:16:54] Frank Roll: Oh yeah, it was early two thousands. I think. That's kinda what put both of them on, like the American Map for film. Well, for me anyway, that's where I,

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[00:17:05] Frank Roll: Oh, I jump around to so much. She is awesome. No, like, sorry. I honestly feel like I was zoning out, staring at a.

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[00:17:12] Scott Moran: feel like if this movie was made now Uhhuh , her part would've been Lisa Sado. Yeah, that

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[00:17:29] Scott Moran: Also, j Rochelle was in this movie for like five seconds

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[00:17:34] Frank Roll: What was up with the background in that?

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[00:17:39] Frank Roll: So did you get budget numbers on this one? I did not. Okay. Well, let's just assume that they did not use any of it in that scene, because that was the worst when I saw the, you know, the background going outside the limo as they were, you know, air quotes driving.

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[00:17:55] Scott Moran: how she see it looked, I see it looked shitty. Maybe that was a. . Like they shot that later to clear up some things, something.

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[00:18:08] Scott Moran: budget. It felt weird other than like cronenberg's into doing everything Canadian and in Canada, they fucking love that dude.

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[00:18:27] Scott Moran: pretty much everybody at this point. Everyone else in the movie is other than Elise, Sarah Gaon. Yeah, that

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[00:18:34] Frank Roll: But I mean, I'd still say like he was like that funny guy then.

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[00:18:44] Frank Roll: even if it was just like a catch up scene or like a fucking redo scene or like we're gonna do like a little filler here, uh, that was just bad man.

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[00:18:56] Scott Moran: sense? It was a rough start. It was a rough surf

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[00:19:03] Frank Roll: Then you found a way to tie it into something else. It's cool though, that we can talk about white noise at the same

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[00:19:17] Frank Roll: I won't recover those notes that I'd taken for white noise, but in all caps, the first note for white noise was dialogue.

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[00:19:27] Scott Moran: That's what this author does. So if you make, he's. story heavy. Mm-hmm. almost ever. He's written bigger books that had more story to him. Underworld, I would say had more story. White noise may have had more story than this one, but even people who are fans of him are not necessarily giant fans of this book.

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[00:19:53] Frank Roll: the book, you've watched the film. Did they need to make this film?

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[00:20:03] Scott Moran: since fucking existence. When was the book released? 2003. . Okay. So like there are minor differences. It's not, I forgot what the Chinese money was that they were leveraging against in this one. Mm-hmm. , but it's the yen in the book and I think just a few years later, China would be more relevant in that with the contrast of later when they're talking about the bot, cuz that's Thai money, which is like 2003, 2012.

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[00:20:34] Frank Roll: over there and like get a bunch of shit.

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[00:20:53] Scott Moran: I don't think Kelly liked it. ,

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[00:21:05] Scott Moran: doing this? Well, yes, uh, in your opinion, David Fincher. Hmm. I think if David Fincher had made this movie, he would've found a way to make this, uh, it would've had a voiceover, it would've had, uh, like a, a droney monotone voiceover.

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[00:21:37] Scott Moran: you know, I felt like the sex scenes were really good, but they were also kind of awkward and weird, which I like because I'm like, that's what sex really looks like.

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[00:21:47] Scott Moran: bodyguard chick. Yeah. That was a personal trainer in the book, not the, yeah, he makes more, way more stops in the book. And so some of those scenes take place. He has even more

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[00:21:58] Scott Moran: book. No, the most erotic part of the book for me, Uhhuh was when he has that, I forgot to say her in the the cast list, but Emily Hampshire, she's in, uh, shits Creek.

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[00:22:30] Scott Moran: I heard 'em .

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[00:22:39] Scott Moran: and he says, you're choking it. Which was so erotic to me.

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[00:22:47] Scott Moran: face, well, while that hap that happened in his office or in an office, I believe in the book.

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[00:22:59] Frank Roll: overdoing it, reading it. The confusion keeps you drawn

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[00:23:14] Scott Moran: Oh, is that the

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[00:23:19] Scott Moran: said she was wrists and shin, bones and un balmed lips. And he wanted to lick the sweat from her collarb. But she's on a treadmill in the book. Hmm. Like she's running in front of him while they're having that conversation.

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[00:23:40] Frank Roll: was in the hotel though. Yeah,

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[00:23:45] Frank Roll: the book. In the book book. Did they get outta the car for that

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[00:23:48] Scott Moran: Yeah. He goes to his personal, . It's literally what I got. The vibe was that it takes so long he could have gotten out and walked there. Well, I don't

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[00:24:04] Frank Roll: Him and the bodyguard, it

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[00:24:11] Frank Roll: you saw the glimpse of her outside the car once walking around. Yeah, once. Once. It was just

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[00:24:30] Scott Moran: And I think a lot of it had to do with like, my new wife won't fuck me and I want. , you know? Mm-hmm. , he was real into his wife, regardless of

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[00:24:47] Frank Roll: It's got her and, oh, no, I

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[00:24:49] Frank Roll: So she's in that as well. And there's also a, uh, an erotic scene between those two in that movie. It's one of the it's fucking crazy. In highlight. Is that movie good? It's different, man. It's different.

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[00:25:08] Frank Roll: one good?

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[00:25:17] Scott Moran: what came outta. That's a real same time as that one story at the same time as that one, uh, prospect came out. Yeah.

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[00:25:25] Frank Roll: uh, yeah. Oh God, I forget. The last of us. Jesus, Pedro Pascal. There we go.

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[00:25:39] Frank Roll: new. Okay. Well so I did watch Prospect cuz I asked you about it and you were like, oh yeah, yeah, check it out.

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[00:26:05] Frank Roll: That's all I have to say. Cool. I, I would not watch High Life again, but I would recommend you check it out if you're, if you are knowing interested. Yeah. If, and if you're out there and you're interested in high life and you've thought about it and you're like, oh, give it a shot. Just try it. I liked high life so much more than I like Cosmos

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[00:26:25] Scott Moran: I know what a bummer, David Kremberg has the ability to just disappoint me terribly or tickle me to death.

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[00:26:42] Scott Moran: I like that sex scene.

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[00:26:58] Frank Roll: Well, I mean, one of his quotes at the beginning of the movie when he is talking to the wife, and this was before I knew it was the wife. Um, you have your mother's breasts.

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[00:27:07] Scott Moran: just like, yeah, the dialogue. Some of the dialogue I really liked and all. From the book is there. Okay. This was like, just like the book. It's a faithful adaptation.

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[00:27:25] Frank Roll: You know that Eat breakfast yet I'm hungry for something thick and chewy. I was like, is this gonna get really fucking weird? Weird. Yeah.

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[00:27:37] Frank Roll: because, so you're thinking that was something directly from the book that line, the thick and

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[00:27:41] Scott Moran: The thick and cherry it It is. Okay. See that's gold. Oh, some of it is gold. That's gold. Cuz

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[00:27:49] Scott Moran: I loved, uh, you need to be inflamed. Mm-hmm. . And he says, I need all the meanings of inflamed. Maybe I should have just written that for the summary.

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[00:28:03] Frank Roll: about put a stick of gum in your mouth and try not to.

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[00:28:12] Frank Roll: Patton, uh,

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[00:28:20] Frank Roll: White noise was bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And it wasn't, it didn't have this off. I mean, it had an offbeat feel, but it didn't have this dark. Cosmos had like a dark over.

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[00:28:36] Scott Moran: White noise was the fear of death. This is almost a man commits suicide in all the ways you possibly could in a day, in a single day. And that

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[00:28:52] Scott Moran: every man.

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[00:29:12] Scott Moran: And, uh, you gotta adapt to your audience. Right. That's why I read fucking nine books at the same time. Is I, I. I'm too a d d for that. But this was an a d d person book. It was just put it right in there. .

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[00:29:29] Frank Roll: I really, I love her. I wish I could, I should have looked up the name of the one with her and Patty about them coming to America. Cuz that was one of those that was like, you know, I heard about it. Dude, this is a great movie. You gotta check it out. And it was just a quality movie. It was well done. Nice.

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[00:30:01] Scott Moran: kind of the

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[00:30:02] Frank Roll: It is, it's the, it is the, well, no, but kind of, you know, similar. What were those? You know what? Last time I tried to think about it, Olympia had to remind me why is there a bl? Okay. You know what? Clyde's Dale Carabiner. Clyde's, Dale Carabiner. Those are two words I couldn't keep in my vocabulary for years.

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[00:30:21] Scott Moran: Are you trying to do like some mine palace shit?

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[00:30:27] Scott Moran: But I like to Sarah Gaon in. This was pretty. . I like her and stuff. I think she's underutilized. She was in, uh, 11 23, 63, 22, 4 8 15, 16, 23, 42. The Stephen King thing on Hulu about the JFK assassination.

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[00:30:49] Frank Roll: 63.

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[00:31:06] Scott Moran: Yes.

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[00:31:22] Scott Moran: actually, that's a book. Maybe one day I'll. It was called the double, but that one was, uh, Dennis or Dennis v.

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[00:31:32] Frank Roll: Hold on. What are they called? Man, I'm not gonna let it go. Not a precog, not an Oracle hybrid. That's what it is. Hybrid . All right, we're out.

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[00:31:57] Frank Roll: didn't get to hit it.

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[00:32:01] Scott Moran: Well, he went straight from her to the bodyguard and then back to her again for dinner. R did. So he was with the bodyguard after lunch when the rats. The people running into the cafe and programs. Yeah. And he's like, wait, wait. Which

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[00:32:14] Frank Roll: That was a cool move to let it happen. Well, he looks kind of excited. So this is what I've been waiting all day in Olive of last night to tell you, you know, you can make fun. I have to split up my movie sometimes. That's fine. Just tired, you know, just life things. I was, I was not tired last night. Fucking movie put me to sleep three fucking times.

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[00:32:46] Scott Moran: make me go to sleep. I didn't even feel like this movie was boring, per se.

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[00:33:01] Frank Roll: That's what I'm saying. The erotic scenes weren't enough to keep you up all the. But, and then the parts that really started to draw me in and I was like, wait, this More promise, more promise, more promise in my eyes.

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[00:33:18] Scott Moran: deflated you a little bit or that half a haircut. I

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[00:33:24] Scott Moran: I love that. Because I didn't catch that in the book that he left in the middle of the haircut and he was like, you can finish it later.

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[00:33:33] Frank Roll: Well, did you catch in the movie from the beginning how he was obviously fucking it up the barber?

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[00:33:39] Frank Roll: it. Like when Well, when he started doing the little blending in the front, I was like, he's totally just whacking that shit.

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[00:33:50] Frank Roll: Well not like that cuz you I that as well. But you knew that it was supposed to be intentional for the character. Like this fucking senile old fuck that used to cut his dad's hair. Barbershop probably hasn't been open for years.

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[00:34:03] Scott Moran: thought it was open. It was just not open anymore. My understanding in the book as well was that he'd been going to that barber since he was a poor kid.

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[00:34:15] Scott Moran: and power. Well, the father died when he was four.

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[00:34:31] Frank Roll: But the way that the barber spoke of the father, didn't you think that he spoke of the father is if he was a success, a successful, powerful man?

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[00:34:39] Scott Moran: think he had a reverence for him in a different sort of powerful way.

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[00:34:51] Scott Moran: it going. I also liked the, uh, where do the limousines go at night? And he kept wondering about it all like in the book.

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[00:35:12] Frank Roll: that's obviously from the book, right? Were the limousines explained in the same fashion in the book?

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[00:35:18] Scott Moran: that sense of everything about the book is in this movie. . It's a perfect adaptation. I would say it just doesn't exist as well as a movie, as it

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[00:35:38] Frank Roll: So, and I love that part, the limos, it shows you the elitist from. everybody else. Yeah. It's a status thing. Like that kind of shit is great. And the, there's, there's so many, and that people around the city know when they look at that, like, oh, that's one of

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[00:35:58] Scott Moran: And it, and it was like, he was like, yeah, it's broken. No one can find the parts for it. He spent millions of dollars on this. And he's like, I go there sometimes. And she's like, and do. I just look at it or the way

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[00:36:16] Frank Roll: He

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[00:36:21] Frank Roll: he's talking about buying a cathedral and fitting it in

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[00:36:31] Scott Moran: He doesn't understand why he can't have that. Hey,

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[00:36:44] Scott Moran: That guy's teeth, they fascinated . I almost wonder if they all got knocked out.

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[00:36:52] Frank Roll: guy, man. He can't make a bad choice because he'll always be that type of guy in a movie leg. Yeah, that was one of my first Blu-Ray movies, I think. Love it. Maybe I'll

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[00:37:06] Scott Moran: Huh? Southland Tales

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[00:37:14] Frank Roll: We've talked about it. It was on streaming for years, and now it seems to have disappeared

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[00:37:21] Frank Roll: I feel like it lived on Amazon. Well, between Amazon and Netflix forever. Like those whole first, the first decade of streaming, it was just there.

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[00:37:33] Scott Moran: We should do a Amazon series of three episodes called, what the fuck, Richard Kelly. And just go through all three of his movies. Did you watch the Box with uh, Cyclops? Yes. Yeah, I like that you just call him Cyclops. I'm sorry,

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[00:37:47] Frank Roll: I'm a fan of that guy. Should I call him

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[00:38:00] Frank Roll: That's why they gave you the RX eight that Wolverine stole. Didn't, wasn't like Backstreet or NSYNC on the CD player on that when they turned it on. Am I making that up?

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[00:38:12] Frank Roll: One of the movies, they steal the car and it's like a Mazda R eight. Like they tried to bring back the R seven a couple years ago. RX seven, so it is RX eight. Sorry.

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[00:38:23] Frank Roll: song X eight. God, I've been such, I always say like, if I got like super rich, I wouldn't buy like a, a, like a $300,000 car anyway.

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[00:38:35] Frank Roll: and put a urinal that comes out from under the seat. I thought he was just pissing

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[00:38:39] Frank Roll: it was a ha a a door. I thought it was like a trapped. and it just slid open and he was pissing on the

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[00:38:49] Scott Moran: Cause that was like right after the divorce conversation. He's just pissing his fucking car now. Paul Giani section. Mm-hmm. the end, the last, almost third of the movie last

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[00:39:05] Scott Moran: Okay. So that was maybe. The best part of the movie as far as like coherence goes to like the, the overall theme coming back, but it felt like a completely different movie.

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[00:39:27] Scott Moran: see, something you get in the book that you don't get in the movie is I saw Paul Giani at the atm. Mm-hmm. when he spots him earlier. Mm-hmm. , and he doesn't even look at him or anything like that.

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[00:39:49] Frank Roll: Yeah. Cuz it's . It is. It's a little, it's a little out there. It's a, you know, he's not, he's out of sorts.

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[00:40:01] Frank Roll: for Sutherland and foam booth. Same shit.

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[00:40:06] Frank Roll: and then we're, but you can see it's the plant. You can't plant the bigger name or the bigger voice. We know it's coming.

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[00:40:14] Scott Moran: it. Did they show Dennis Hopper in speed? Early. Early? Was it way later?

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[00:40:27] Frank Roll: That's when Keanu shoots him in the knee, in the leg, whatever.

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[00:40:36] Frank Roll: speed. Keep your ass behind the yellow line or tease.

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[00:40:48] Frank Roll: no, no. I'm not even gonna get you started on knock, knock again either.

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[00:40:56] Frank Roll: The gun went to the

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[00:41:03] Frank Roll: movie did No clarification.

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[00:41:13] Scott Moran: And I was like, I liked this book, but they could have called it right there. Right. That is cheap writer shit. Yeah. Like we're you're, you're like, oh no, I'm dead. Mm-hmm. .

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[00:41:32] Frank Roll: I just wanted to throw some And also, was it in Sink or Backstreet Boys in the RX eight with Wolverine and the crew.

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[00:41:43] Frank Roll: it definitely wasn't drops of Jupiter by train.

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[00:41:53] Scott Moran: Everything Everywhere, all at once That you heard lyrics in the dialogue. It, it was like a,

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[00:42:13] Frank Roll: It was

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[00:42:23] Frank Roll: I'm good at filler. Do you need an explanation for anything? You read the book, but I can explain something that you didn't get in the movie.

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[00:42:30] Scott Moran: So do you need any explanations that wasn't clear because of it? That interests me as far as adaptations go. When I read a book and then I come into it, sometimes the movie is for me because I have more information already.

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[00:42:51] Frank Roll: Do you think he killed the bodyguard? Cuz he's like, you let that fucking guy pie me. I

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[00:43:00] Frank Roll: I didn't have a heavy feeling that that's what it was for, but I was trying to rationalize if it was just a random act. in the moment, you know, heat of the moment.

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[00:43:11] Scott Moran: was it, I think some of it might have been motivated by like, you've been up my ass all day about how there's this threat. Threat and then you let a guy fucking hit me with a pie, so fuck your life. So maybe a little bit, I mean, people are more complicated than just total chaos.

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[00:43:45] Scott Moran: It's just variation and that's what you didn't take into account. I love how he

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[00:43:56] Scott Moran: Like, where the fuck did that come from? I loved it. Um, there were things I'll remember forever about this. Mm-hmm. . I don't know how much of that is reinforced by the fact that I did like the book.

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[00:44:21] Frank Roll: After crimes of the future, this is not as good. No, because what year was cr, was it 20 20, 21, something like that.

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[00:44:36] Frank Roll: I feel like somebody was trying to make something happen with this film. You know, even the way, like if you look at it like on most things they use that picture that's like Pattinson, Kronenberg. And it's like, I hear it in that voice cuz I feel like that's how you're pitching it to me.

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[00:44:51] Scott Moran: Well, I feel like when it premiered at Cannes, it got really good reviews because I looked through the reviews. I just didn't grab any of 'em because I

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[00:45:01] Scott Moran: I it was like pre. . It's just a bunch of pretentious shit. Like, oh, what it says.

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[00:45:31] Scott Moran: Well, and

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[00:45:37] Scott Moran: lies? Yeah. The only reason I could relate to him was he wanted to burn it down because he needed, he wanted to

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[00:45:46] Scott Moran: Yeah, I, I can get down with that.

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[00:45:48] Frank Roll: a lot different than Patrick Bateman. That's what I was referencing.

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[00:45:54] Frank Roll: No, I didn't want it. I'm just saying, you know, you want to talk about parallels, an elitist in New York, burning it down and having the meltdown coming to a t.

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[00:46:07] Frank Roll: Yeah. And. . Even Bateman though,

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[00:46:27] Scott Moran: So this is just an elitist asshole. Going into a spiral for his own selfish gain. I think that he very much believes that he will be saved at

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[00:46:47] Frank Roll: I think that's just where he threw it. Okay. No, and that's the thing. I know we're not supposed to like this. I never liked this guy, but I didn't care about, and I know you don't need to. The character to really feel the story

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[00:47:02] Scott Moran: Well, yeah, you're not supposed to though. I liked him as so in so much that he's a character.

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[00:47:24] Frank Roll: I struggled with finding where I needed to start it to finish it, and I. Almost didn't finish and came in here and be like, I promise I'll never do this again. But I couldn't .

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[00:47:41] Scott Moran: Mm-hmm. and then became a different kind of sub character with the old men towards the end.

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[00:48:00] Frank Roll: The pace the,

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[00:48:12] Frank Roll: j Rochelle. Okay. Well, so you've talked about pie before. You know how like pie goes sometimes where it's like fast-paced, you know, fucking like, and it's just talking, talking, talking.

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[00:48:29] Scott Moran: brain is scrambling. White noise. Did that and I also don't think that worked great.

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[00:48:38] Scott Moran: I think white noise went on for too long,

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[00:48:41] Frank Roll: Yeah. And I'm not even trying to put, I'm just thinking of like different examples for each one of. You know, parts of the movie that I'm bringing up, I was looking for something like that pie that, or I felt like that's what we were supposed to, but not we. That's, I'm confused. I guess I'm a little confused too.

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[00:49:03] Scott Moran: that was here and there. It had some good stuff and it shouldn't have been, I can't, even with this one say this should be shorter cuz I don't think that would improve this movie.

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[00:49:24] Scott Moran: yeah. She's old money. Yeah. I thought the, that was punctuated by like, she's a poet. Because I always think about that with like, you know, you hear about like Sylvia pla mm-hmm.

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[00:49:39] Frank Roll: Um, when calls her out for hanging out in the bookshop, what does he call her? Trendy or I forget what term. She

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[00:49:53] Scott Moran: But yeah, I, this was a miss. Hard miss. We haven't had a miss in a while though, I think. Yeah. And it just sucks. Mostly movies. Uh, do you think it would've been better with Colin Ferrell? No. You don't think he would've given it a little more oomph? You know how

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[00:50:11] Scott Moran: is just like mouth breathing

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[00:50:13] Frank Roll: The happening face, mark Wahlberg is the happening face that pops up in movies from time to time. Like he's

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[00:50:20] Frank Roll: brain power to do. There's some confusion, but there's some thought. It is just kind of a lost face. It's the trees. Colin Ferrell does this thing.

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[00:50:33] Scott Moran: he does that in seven psychopaths a few times. Well, so I in took great

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[00:50:48] Frank Roll: No. And so, see, I feel like Colin Ferrell might have taken it there because this was preki of a sacred deer. The way that he portrays that role,

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[00:50:59] Frank Roll: think, but would he have had that in him in 2010? Don't know. Because I feel like that was a dev, a real step for him.

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[00:51:13] Scott Moran: Certain things. The movie that didn't need to be remade. Yeah, leave it alone. That was a, wasn't that the same fucking year they made Robocop again? Oh, Robocop

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[00:51:27] Scott Moran: Don't remake

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[00:51:32] Frank Roll: I liked white noise better than Cosmos.

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[00:51:37] Frank Roll: and again, it's.

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[00:51:47] Frank Roll: casts, I love the casts

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[00:51:49] Scott Moran: Yeah. And they do a fantastic job in both of them. This movie is an anomaly, much like white noise, where it's just, I've

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[00:52:04] Scott Moran: But next week we're gonna watch dual again. .

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[00:52:08] Scott Moran: right.

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[00:52:17] Frank Roll: needed to let it slip from my mind. We did not record a great episode , about dual . That was, it was a really good one, man. This, this. From Texas is killing it.

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[00:52:49] Frank Roll: Thanks everyone for joining us. For the last Video Store Clerks podcast, be sure to leave a rating and subscribe. You can find us on Twitter at Last Clerks Instagram at the last video store clerks, and you can find Scott at dispatchesfromthepit.com.