Crimes of The Future - Cronenberg's cronenbergy Cronenberg
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Crimes Of the Future WIP
[:[00:00:09] Frank Roll: Hollywood and the independent video
[:[00:00:22] Does this hold up? And just, what the hell is a good movie? Anyway, I'm Frank Rome. I'm Scott Moran, and we are the last video store
[:[00:00:34] Our
[:[00:00:43] Frank Roll: I almost forgot cuz we've been out of the rock thing for a while. ,
[:[00:00:51] Frank Roll: You have a kid, you gotta get out the rock game.
[:[00:00:57] Uhhuh .
[:[00:01:00] Scott Moran: case. Finished a hot D. Hot D. Hot D What? What
[:[00:01:05] Scott Moran: Hot D. House of the Dragon. Oh,
[:[00:01:14] Scott Moran: one. Slick. Well, I watched, uh, the Lord of the Rings. The rings of power. At the same time, we're we're still saving it. Saving Lord of the Rings, no
[:[00:01:25] Scott Moran: fuck? Really? The last one,
[:[00:01:30] Scott Moran: before the last.
[:[00:01:39] I see what they're doing. I have a real appreciation for HBO because of House of the Dragon, though, because I watched Rings of power in tandem with it. Basically rings of power was so fucking tedious. And made, Lord Do the Rings feel stupid. While I was watching House of the Dragon, which had such a respect for me as an audience member, being like, we wanna keep you.
[:[00:02:12] Frank Roll: all. I've heard random things about rings of. Not a lot of positives, but people are like, it's good enough.
[:[00:02:20] If you're just going to be like, it's a 50 hour movie and then not have enough respect to keep me there every like, at least every hour and a half of a 50 hour movie should give you some reason to continue on this fucking path. But that would be like, no, we'll just wait. This is a prolog .
[:[00:02:41] Scott Moran: dragon?
[:[00:02:59] And uh, that's exactly what House of the Dragon. You know, it was a
[:[00:03:08] Scott Moran: Yeah, I mean that Hot D, .
[:[00:03:14] Scott Moran: so much
[:[00:03:23] Think about it. I haven't had time for movies, so I watched this over three nights. Was it a
[:[00:03:29] Frank Roll: And I'll just throw mine out there, then we can jump back to. I watched The Fugitive.
[:[00:03:39] No,
[:[00:03:43] Scott Moran: was the one Armed Man, . That
[:[00:04:00] No, that movie was huge and I still like it, and it still holds up for what it is. It's just definitely in my old
[:[00:04:19] Terrible.
[:[00:04:21] Scott Moran: Indiana Jones. Yeah. I don't, I've said that before. I don't want that. I don't like hunched over Indiana Jones makes me sad. At least they gave like, there was a lot of gravity to like old man Han Solo. He's still at it. with Indiana Jones. You're like, Hey, get down from there before you hurt yourself.
[:[00:04:37] Frank Roll: No, it's the last OS fest that I went to. It was oh six Ozzie. It wasn't fun for me.
[:[00:04:54] Frank Roll: out when I was still a Shia hater.
[:[00:05:00] Frank Roll: at the time. I just had this real. Twisted idea that there was better talent in his age group, and I didn't understand why he was getting all the roles in everything.
[:[00:05:16] Okay.
[:[00:05:27] Scott Moran: bad decisions. I mean, I showed you the actual Cannibal Shy
[:[00:05:33] I love his films. It's a complete turnaround, but at the time I was in my dumb antis shy face, so I feel like I tuned out, what was it, the Crystal skull? Yeah. Um, I watched and I mean, it's right. It's, it's not, it was one of my Hollywood movies. That was a Hollywood movie for me. Oh, was it? Yep. Oh, like oh 8, 0 9, somewhere in there.
[:[00:05:50] Scott Moran: yeah. I guess it came out when I was at a baby store too.
[:[00:05:55] Scott Moran: watched. Oh, everything. Everything that came out then, except Murray would get weird shit. , and I'd be like, I'm not
[:[00:06:03] Scott Moran: we
[:[00:06:04] And that was one of. Olympian Eye's first movie dates. She left with 10 minutes left, so you know what she missed the best
[:[00:06:18] Frank Roll: great. I've said it before, I've said it again.
[:[00:06:22] Scott Moran: and I watched X. Amazing barbarian fucking amazing. Uh, I watched the first three episodes of the Peripheral Chloe Grace Martz. Yes. It's based on a William Gibson
[:[00:06:41] Scott Moran: like, oh, very good.
[:[00:07:02] Maybe he has yet to come. I mean, there are only three episodes in there's, there could still be a CorpU. It's really cool and everybody in is really good. Kinda looks like Detroit, that video game. There's a little bit of time travel to it. I don't wanna ruin
[:[00:07:17] I think you should.
[:[00:07:32] Like we don't have to go into space and you could even
[:[00:07:38] Scott Moran: somewhere. Yeah, that's fine. It doesn't need to be, not at all. Exactly. We could have never gotten off the planet. You could still make a cool sci-fi movie. Mm-hmm.
[:[00:08:11] It's like a sort of time travel serial killer thing. Six episodes. Nice tight story. All British cast. I'm wondering if I've come
[:[00:08:23] Scott Moran: brand new. It, it went up, uh, Friday, last Friday. So if you're listening and you're in the future, you know where we are in the past right now. Yeah. And then I watched the last James Bond movie finally, and I, I cried like a little girl at the end of it.
[:[00:08:42] Frank Roll: I put 'em off for years, so I watched them all. Just a couple. What was that? A couple months.
[:[00:08:55] Frank Roll: seven, you've got the diehard fans that love the originals, and so they don't even want to hear about the other guys.
[:[00:09:19] And you can retell it a bunch of times. No, that's the thing. Cause we made it a part of our society. I'll argue with the
[:[00:09:28] Scott Moran: seven s next as far as an action movie goes, by the time the first oh seven movies came out, there wasn't an action movie.
[:[00:09:50] Frank Roll: See that? None of 'em ever stuck with me. I'd see a random one here or there on tv.
[:[00:10:04] Oh man. Medicine woman. Medicine woman, , punctuated. I think when
[:[00:10:18] Scott Moran: Medicine,
[:[00:10:25] Scott Moran: comes to. I know what you did last summer. Okay. I almost said Ghost Whisperer though.
[:[00:10:30] Frank Roll: right. The TV thing. See? Yeah. That's what I was going for. Like, are you gonna say a movie or you Yeah. Two TV
[:[00:10:38] Frank Roll: fuck, fuck, fuck no, that's awesome. That's exactly what I wanted to happen. And you did do movie because I would've said Ghost Whisper, cuz I would've still been locked into the tv.
[:[00:10:52] Frank Roll: But yeah. Jane Seymour. Nah, she's rocking it. What was she doing? Jewelry commercials a few years ago?
[:[00:10:59] Frank Roll: jewelry. I don't know. It made me think of Jamie Lee Curtis doing those yogurt commercials.
[:[00:11:03] Scott Moran: remember she was doing activa. Yeah, . I knew, you know, I didn't think less of her at all though. No, it was when I was doing that, I was like, fucking awesome. Yeah. My, uh, pick for a bad horror movie was, I was like, okay, just pick a random one. Yeah, that was, I watched a movie called Torn Hearts with Katie Segal.
[:[00:11:42] When was that made? It was really recent. It was, uh, directed by, oh, this wasn't like nineties or, no, it just came out on Amazon. Uh, it was probably like a real limited release or maybe Fantastic Fest or something like that. I don't know. It was directed by Bria. Who I wanna say is from here, cuz I've seen her at bars and shit every now and then.
[:[00:12:10] Frank Roll: Well, I thought of the Wallflower song for some reason. . Um, I haven't thought of that song since middle school. Like where the fuck did that come from?
[:[00:12:18] Scott Moran: popped into your head.
[:[00:12:21] Scott Moran: heroes, the David Bowie cover. They did that song. Yeah. Yeah, they did.
[:[00:12:35] Scott Moran: about it.
[:[00:12:39] Frank Roll: mind with Katie Sigal and I was like, sons of Anarchy. I didn't do son's anarchy, but I like, and I
[:[00:12:52] Despite that shows problems, like the two main characters don't have any chemistry at
[:[00:13:00] Scott Moran: something like that? Yeah, it was one of those ones where it like stressed me out, but it wasn't compelling enough to keep me like Breaking Bad or Dexter was, well, I
[:[00:13:12] Scott Moran: I liked prison break. Did you? Yeah, I did. I refused. I was like, I marathoned it. We had it at the video store. Yeah, I watched the whole thing and I was like, that was all right. I
[:[00:13:22] Scott Moran: I didn't like the lead actors, or I didn't like one of the actors very much. The younger brother.
[:[00:13:33] Frank Roll: you see the older one all the time. He does some like weird movies. Oh really? Yeah. Like
[:[00:13:40] Frank Roll: him. Yeah, he, I've seen him in a couple things that like, were straight to Amazon Prime.
[:[00:13:47] Scott Moran: good and stuff. He's fine. He's, he looks tough. He's very specific. He's
[:[00:13:53] Scott Moran: every Yeah, he's like quiet military contractor guy. Or like the assassin they sent and he says nothing.
[:[00:13:59] Frank Roll: man who's just way too clean to be in every, every
[:[00:14:12] Frank Roll: Did you know that he was in Buffy the Vampire Slay? I think I told
[:[00:14:25] Frank Roll: You know, one day if we ever start talking to people, that should be our goal
[:[00:14:32] Oh, I'd love to have a beer with Thomas Jane. Yeah.
[:[00:14:40] Scott Moran: some reason, that's our goal. Our goal is to interview Tom Jane. I would have
[:[00:14:47] Scott Moran: so you like the expanse?
[:[00:14:57] Scott Moran: that his twin is in. Oh, you want to ask him about Aaron Eckhart movies? Well
[:[00:15:01] Scott Moran: question about an Aaron Ahart movie. We'll do a series called There are Only So Many Faces, and then interview celebrities as the wrong person. ? Yeah, I think we should do that. I forgot that, uh, because I didn't like Specter very much out of the Bond movies.
[:[00:15:32] Frank Roll: cover once I watched one of those movies and I went down to the, you May also like, and it was just every one of those.
[:[00:15:48] Scott Moran: this category. I like that one. It was a really good love story.
[:[00:15:53] Frank Roll: Yeah. The one that I watched was the chick from uh, arrested Develop. The daughter maybe.
[:[00:15:59] Frank Roll: search party, which I loved. Yeah. I watched one. It was a crazy, like, it was, it was alright.
[:[00:16:16] And uh, so it really, it really got me Mm. Plus was hot .
[:[00:16:25] Scott Moran: not gonna argue with you. The through line though, of, uh, like I watched that Bond movie and then we were already planning to do Crimes of the Future, and I was like, oh, I fucking forgot you were in this movie. Oh, what's her name?
[:[00:16:43] Scott Moran: Not having any problems with that last. Yeah. It's the pretty
[:[00:16:51] Scott Moran: I feel like I've heard it said both ways. I'm not really sure, but I like her emotionally, like has that distraught, distraught
[:[00:16:59] Yeah. She pulls it off. Great. It's just that look of despair,
[:[00:17:13] Not assuming this one's your favorite. Well, when I was
[:[00:17:24] it
[:[00:17:27] Frank Roll: we were just talking and something else better at the time came up.
[:[00:17:30] Scott Moran: excited. Yeah. It's like, ooh, that's a good, oh, so shiny.
[:[00:17:37] Scott Moran: thing, but the fly, I think the fly is one of the most romantic movies ever made.
[:[00:17:49] Like
[:[00:17:55] Frank Roll: as I got older I would see it here and there and I mean, it was, I never understood it until I was like elementary age, you know, like really understood everything, man. Just the fly in that. So gross. It was so gross.
[:[00:18:07] Scott Moran: such a kind of beautiful love story about this woman who tries to stick her thick and thin and she really like, cares about him.
[:[00:18:18] Scott Moran: Oh. At first, I think he could, he, he had a , a mean fly. Boner, a fly stamina boo hanging upside down
[:[00:18:28] But I mean, there's scenes in that movie that just stick in my head. The arm wrestling where he like snaps the arm. In the bar or wherever
[:[00:18:44] Really? Yeah. I think he's one of the guys who like rapes his wife. Nah man. I think that may have been one of his first, if not his first movie. Actually
[:[00:18:59] Scott Moran: life.
[:[00:19:22] So I was really excited to see this. I also don't, I fucking hated exist. I was so bored. Never saw that either. How could I be so bored by a movie that is about like matrix level virtual reality weirdness.
[:[00:19:37] Scott Moran: and then I stick with it. Yeah, me too.
[:[00:19:42] Frank Roll: the title of that movie. The Way that it's Oh yeah, yeah. Formatted. Yeah. Offends Me . I
[:[00:19:53] Frank Roll: It sounds like a goddamn, uh, a
[:[00:19:56] Frank Roll: Yes. Yeah. Or like a Yeah. It's too close to
[:[00:20:00] Yeah. Yeah. They used to sell 'em at the gas station at the, that's what it is. Yeah, dude. Yeah. In the little, like one pill, in a little plastic thing.
[:[00:20:14] Scott Moran: Extend and take it from me. If you take one of those, you will feel like you're gonna have a heart attack. Really? Yes. You
[:[00:20:22] Scott Moran: little drunk,
[:[00:20:31] Scott Moran: the like Stinger too. Like , like you bought those two, didn't you? Uh, no, I did do the, uh, there was one called Energy. Now I, I bought that once. It's one of those herbal energy supplements. I always wanted
[:[00:20:45] It freaked me out. And then, you know, I've always been a germaphobe kind of. So I was like, who's touching that weird twist machine? That's like a damn toy machine, but full of condoms
[:[00:20:58] I would buy 'em was cool. You sometimes you get a gift, you know, like, and it would be like a playing card with a naked lady on it. It'd be like this big, and I'd like pocket that shit and no shit way. That's where that came from. Yeah. Yeah. I had no idea. Yeah. They come in like condom packages. From those condom machines.
[:[00:21:30] Did I not
[:[00:21:32] Scott Moran: year? I think you did. And I think I told you this story.
[:[00:21:38] Scott Moran: we were like, 15 years
[:[00:21:44] Scott Moran: oh my God, you got me these Truckstop jokes on it.
[:[00:21:51] Frank Roll: So
[:[00:22:06] See? So that's the thing. I
[:[00:22:08] Scott Moran: movies, but I saw a video drone when I was very young and was so weirded out.
[:[00:22:21] Scott Moran: I could see not wanting to rewatch that.
[:[00:22:24] Frank Roll: It wasn't one that I hung onto at the time, so I've never
[:[00:22:29] Frank Roll: just, it gets referenced so much. I wish I had remembered it better.
[:[00:22:40] Frank Roll: But what's funny is like I've seen history of violence. Also starring Vigo. I
[:[00:22:48] Frank Roll: directed it. And I mean, that's a random ass movie. It was like a mob movie
[:[00:22:59] And they get the car accidents like fuck yeah. They fuck Open Wounds. . It's gross .
[:[00:23:11] Scott Moran: what I expected either, cuz I'd expected absolutely nothing out of this. I was like, this is just gonna be koberg weirdness for an hour and a half.
[:[00:23:20] Frank Roll: mean, right off the bat I was like, Scott picked out a movie where they kill a kid in the first fucking five minutes. .
[:[00:23:28] Frank Roll: thing. I know, but I was like, it. Uh, Kate and Olympia were in the room and I said it out loud. I was like, Scott fucking picked a movie where a kid dies in the first five minutes.
[:[00:23:46] Scott Moran: Well, at least, I mean, his mom was there,
[:[00:23:55] Scott Moran: Um, but it was really hard to figure out what this movie was about, and I think I'm still thinking. In the future, environmental changes are causing the human race to change. Most people no longer experience pain, though it appears through the eyes of the characters that no longer experiencing pain causes suffering.
[:[00:24:32] He grows very Cronenberg, Saul Tena, but not before logging the organs with a government department specifically for new organ registry run by WT and Timlin, but it's not an
[:[00:24:46] I
[:[00:24:53] With my Hot D. The film opens on a mother smothering her child after he brushes his teeth, eats a plastic waste basket and goes to bed. Yeah, my notes, I
[:[00:25:08] Scott Moran: Afterwards, she leads word for laying the boy's father so he can recover the corpse and turns herself in Lang Retrieves the Boy and it's slowly revealed that he's the leader of an organization producing the strange purple food bars he's seen constantly eating throughout the film.
[:[00:25:42] SA and Caprice agree, and if that sounds a little, uh, disjointed and weird, you got it.
[:[00:25:59] Scott Moran: think what's funny about that too is those protein bars, protein bars nowadays kinda look like that one
[:[00:26:08] So
[:[00:26:13] Frank Roll: I overthink things so much when I made the note. Never touch another man's protein bar . I was like, is it really a protein bar or is this gonna be like a candy bar? I was like, just fucking go with protein bar man.
[:[00:26:25] I just thought was real into him cuz he's the
[:[00:26:33] Scott Moran: Um, and after watching everyone try to, They're fucking high chairs.
[:[00:26:41] Okay. Yeah, we'll get to that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Jesus, crimes of the Future was given a limited release this summer to mixed reviews, and was written and directed by David Cronenberg, his first film in eight years in his first full length of original screenplay since 1990. Nines Ex Exist.
[:[00:26:56] Or existence. Fuck you, Jude Law. Yeah. Well, he's a real hit or miss with. I love iHeart. Huckabee . Talented Mr. Ripley, man. Yeah, that's good. Gatica also great Gica. I didn't finish that. Anyway. Squirrel ai. Terrible piece of shit.
[:[00:27:14] Scott Moran: Ost? Yeah. The one that was supposed to be the Kubrick Spielberg team up.
[:[00:27:23] Frank Roll: hot D it felt bigger. Anyway, uh, the movie Star is Vigo Morten Sin Saul Leis. Seydoux is Caprice. Scott Speedman is laying. Don McCall is Whip It. And Kristin Stewart is Timlin, that fucking name Timlin. I was like, are they saying Timbalands?
[:[00:27:53] Was that Paradise Hills or was that Assassination Nation?
[:[00:27:58] Frank Roll: problems. When I re-listed to that one on the road trip, dude, I was like, those. Those actors' names Jesus . Um, in 1970, Cronenberg made a 63 minute film by the same name, and even though the plot was drastically different, the main character also grew new organs and surgically removed them.
[:[00:28:25] Scott Moran: wanted to use. Well, that's the thing about this movie is I think he just keeps trying to say something and he doesn't know exactly how to say it.
[:[00:28:42] Frank Roll: out. Well, and he got so close cuz there were parts where you thought that you were having the, the awakening, the realization to what is going on in this movie.
[:[00:28:57] Scott Moran: how I put it on the, I'm seeing, look at the outline. Let's kind of try to, otherwise it's gonna get outta control.
[:[00:29:25] He likes, uh, he likes rummage around in people's body and I think he thinks it's romantic and he's very specific. I know you haven't seen Naked Lunch, but I think he's always been doing this. This is the, a very Cronenberg.
[:[00:29:39] Scott Moran: of erotica in this. Yeah, this was very sexually charged.
[:[00:29:59] Frank Roll: It is.
[:[00:30:02] Scott Moran: Yeah. Where David Lynch just wants to show you something weird, then fucked up. Let's
[:[00:30:14] Scott Moran: racer head? I do remember that. That was not a fun night. No.
[:[00:30:19] Frank Roll: that fun. It was something weird, but we split it three ways, , so who knows what kind of effect
[:[00:30:27] Frank Roll: Gors. And then that was the first time I watched a racer. Oh, was it? That was my first, yeah, that was my first. I've watched it once since
[:[00:30:39] Frank Roll: And then once you've seen it twice, I think you're good. I think once is good. Once is just
[:[00:30:49] Frank Roll: Well, I had told people about it and let's
[:[00:30:54] I
[:[00:31:01] Scott Moran: watched it. Goiters. But Cronenberg has a, like, I've watched video drum a lot of
[:[00:31:15] Scott Moran: I keep coming back for James Woods, just caressing the TV .
[:[00:31:24] Scott Moran: wouldn't make sense. He probably was at one time, piece of candy at one time, piece of.
[:[00:31:42] Frank Roll: There was a lot in this movie I've never seen
[:[00:31:51] And this movie is pretentious as fuck. Then at the same. I think he thought that was funny. Do you feel like there was like a rye sense of humor at the bottom of this? Oh, of course. Like he, he was like, look at these fucking high chairs. Yeah. And I know
[:[00:32:09] Yeah. Fuck man,
[:[00:32:14] Frank Roll: for what I got from this movie was the way it makes sense that he started in the seventies. It actually kind of makes me feel. Like, I like it even more because I felt like I was watching an older film, you know, just the,
[:[00:32:31] And, and this one is both as pretentious as it can get while being completely unpretentious. Well, it has this storyline
[:[00:32:46] Scott Moran: the dialogue, well, I was really afraid this movie was a.
[:[00:32:53] Frank Roll: understand what you mean by that. Yes.
[:[00:32:57] Frank Roll: You know, when I was watching this, do you know what kept going through my. It's beautiful. Me too. As I was watching it, I was like, and not that gross. Yeah. I would just, I would see these things in this movie and just the beauty, you know, I'm not looking at a plastic bag in the
[:[00:33:12] Didn't really sell that, didn't he? It's, it
[:[00:33:17] Scott Moran: That might be the most kronberg thing. About anything. Anything he's done. I appreciated so much of it. I think that might be what he wanted
[:[00:33:30] Yeah. Because no matter how I felt about not understanding certain things or you know, and we'll get,
[:[00:33:40] Frank Roll: It is. And just, it like looked like little bone arms, like popping 'em in the face while they're eating. Vigo
[:[00:33:47] Discomfort throughout the movie was so apparent.
[:[00:33:57] Scott Moran: in. Well, it was, yeah. It was like a, an old plum with no pit.
[:[00:34:06] Scott Moran: though? Yeah. But to me, I, I was like, A Cronenberg thing, you know, that's kind of what the stuff in exist ends like the VR machine they have mm-hmm.
[:[00:34:18] Frank Roll: poke. So it's almost like a bioscience, like
[:[00:34:23] Frank Roll: Yeah. It's, it's almost an organism in itself.
[:[00:34:37] Frank Roll: originally.
[:[00:34:44] no.
[:[00:34:53] Frank Roll: swallow that. Let's put it this way.
[:[00:35:04] Scott Moran: the, with a really long spoon. Really
[:[00:35:12] You know, there's wheats probably
[:[00:35:20] Frank Roll: Well, at, at one point I thought it was a fucking Westworld situation. I thought like the silos had beat the humans. I thought these were synthetic people.
[:[00:35:28] Scott Moran: was a Snow Globe movie? Yeah. Like they were in some sort of
[:[00:35:38] Scott Moran: know. They just became humans. They, they
[:[00:35:45] Scott Moran: a moment.
[:[00:36:06] It's like, did we either, we built a city in the middle of the dry ocean. There was like a wave or something. I don't know.
[:[00:36:16] Scott Moran: to make that trash can look delicious.
[:[00:36:23] That
[:[00:36:24] Frank Roll: chocolate bunny. Yeah, dude. Kids just in the fucking bathroom sitting next to a raunchy ass toilet. All stained, Ugh. I just hate dirty toilets. It's a thing. No infection. I mean, eat whatever you want. Yeah, well, what it opens, he said I, I had to rewind it several times cause I, I was like, is she saying don't?
[:[00:36:41] Scott Moran: eat anything you find in there. Yeah. And I, I forgot about that. That was a clue. I didn't see you early.
[:[00:36:54] Well that was
[:[00:36:59] Frank Roll: goes. No, they were talking and I was like, you guys are talking right when they're talking . So I'd rewind it and then they'd talk again and I'd be
[:[00:37:11] Frank Roll: Um, but yeah, she says, don't eat anything you find
[:[00:37:25] Frank Roll: Vigo looking old. My dude,
[:[00:37:29] That's why he's squatting or seated almost this entire movie. Really. I think there's one time where he looks very uncomfortable, but it's when he's like, backing away from Kristin Stewart. In that room and they kind of circle, oh, I don't want to get into that part yet, but like, uh, , I was like, oh, he is standing for a long time now.
[:[00:37:54] Frank Roll: he, um, Torqued his voice contorted his voice to make it sound like he was having the throat esophagal issue that he was having. I was like, man, did he really like, you know, I'm sure people aren't smoking two packs of cigarettes in the parking lot to get that.
[:[00:38:19] Scott Moran: sound like Tom Wades . Exactly. Um, but yeah, I wrote this had nothing to do with the movie, but I wrote down in my notes while I was watching it that I would watch a Vigo Morrison Batman movie.
[:[00:38:35] Frank Roll: man. What was that one that he did with the horse? Do you remember that movie With a horse?
[:[00:38:50] Frank Roll: Um, ado.
[:[00:39:13] Just didn't know how to use utensils.
[:[00:39:19] Scott Moran: they both had that issue
[:[00:39:27] Scott Moran: himself.
[:[00:39:37] Frank Roll: Yeah. That was, I can't remember his name.
[:[00:39:41] Frank Roll: there. Yeah, he, it, it was something like Naat or I, the doctor that he, someone made an appointment for him to go see the art show
[:[00:39:48] Starting with that child murder I thought was kind of, That is a very, like, I've emotionally invested you now that you've been shocked by this child murder and now I don't have to tell a story. So I was like skeptical the whole movie. Well, exactly.
[:[00:40:06] It's gonna happen in the first five to 10 minutes of the movie. Because that's, that's almost the basis of the storyline most of the time. And this one, it does
[:[00:40:12] Scott Moran: back. It's gonna happen in another movie you watch soon. And I'm not gonna tell you which one it is. It does come full circle in this one.
[:[00:40:24] Frank Roll: really? Yeah. But you knew that kid was going down. Once I saw inside, I was like, oh yeah. When you see her later
[:[00:40:30] Frank Roll: that creature,
[:[00:40:32] Yeah. I'm like, man, Speedman, you shouldn't have left that kid. We was so fucking valuable to you. Yeah.
[:[00:40:38] Scott Moran: relationship, huh? Yeah. It wasn't really sexual, but it was real tender.
[:[00:40:44] Scott Moran: the nude, just getting cut. Yeah, that was weird.
[:[00:41:05] Don't know that I didn't have in the back of my mind that no one can feel any pain. Yeah. The whole
[:[00:41:13] Scott Moran: just that good? I don't think everyone had the same sort of thing. I almost wondered if anyone knew what pain was. Cause I was like, you're clearly uncomfortable.
[:[00:41:26] Scott Moran: manipulation, which I thought was stupid personally, this art show shit. I thought
[:[00:41:36] Scott Moran: art in this film. I was a little upset that they did that to her doctor.
[:[00:41:39] Scott Moran: me at the thing.
[:[00:41:58] Frank Roll: Uh, the ears don't even work
[:[00:42:00] And Timlin were the weirdest shit. And Kristin Stewart, I swear, stole the fucking show. She
[:[00:42:19] Scott Moran: See, I only watched the first movie, so I would know what people were talking about and it kind of like how in high school, like I only went to a rave because people were like, stop making fun of us. I went to one with a a and they were like, go to one, you'll probably like it. And I was like, I don't, I don't like this.
[:[00:42:35] Frank Roll: I went to Crystal Method and
[:[00:42:43] Frank Roll: Oh yeah. No, I went, I went dead sober to see crystal meth. Yeah,
[:[00:42:53] You're like, where the fuck does Scott go? I remember that happened one night and I was sitting on your roof. The roof. They were like, where'd he go? . You think he's okay? And you were like, he's fine. He does that . He'll either be back or he won't and you like went inside
[:[00:43:16] Frank Roll: I don't think you did come back that night.
[:[00:43:29] Frank Roll: It's one of those things that took you away from when you thought you were understanding what was happening.
[:[00:43:33] Scott Moran: like, I think I understand. And then they were like, Nope, this organization doesn't exist. Well, how do people register their weird organs?
[:[00:43:47] Scott Moran: freakiness. Yeah, we're cool with you tattooing them, taking 'em out in front of people.
[:[00:43:54] Frank Roll: that one guy, you should get that checked out. His tumor. Yeah, the detective.
[:[00:44:07] Frank Roll: But okay, so what the fuck do the cops do there?
[:[00:44:16] Frank Roll: also. Well, and were they trying to imply that the police were still more of the fascist side of society Because the only people that they seemed to be concerned about.
[:[00:44:25] Scott Moran: I think they, the synthetic eaters. I think the police were less concerned with keeping things the way they were and more concerned with just keeping it all low key. Well, that's
[:[00:44:44] Scott Moran: Yeah. I kind of felt like they wanted to. Keep the factions from becoming a like a terrorist organization.
[:[00:44:53] Scott Moran: of an informant? Seemed like a long time. Like that was just a part of who he was. He was very comfortable with it, and it didn't seem to have anything really to do with his relationship with.
[:[00:45:05] Frank Roll: it was, it seemed like a familiar relationship, like an established relationship between him and
[:[00:45:14] Frank Roll: And when he was slightly offended, he walks off and there was no consequence from the detective, remember?
[:[00:45:22] Scott Moran: detective. Why was he dressed like a beta Jesuit priest from.
[:[00:45:31] Scott Moran: of his, uh, he didn't have any like deformities. He was trying to hide or anything like that. Maybe he was so famous.
[:[00:45:39] Frank Roll: Hey dude. Uh, zippers have their own sex appeal.
[:[00:45:46] Frank Roll: Careful. Don't spill is what he says after that. Um,
[:[00:45:52] Frank Roll: his gish. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, on the outside looking in, it looks like she's, Going downtown, but really she's licking around his
[:[00:46:00] Yeah. There was no real sex in this at all. No. You know,
[:[00:46:04] Scott Moran: good at the old sex. Yeah. When Timlin tries to and when Timlin makes a move and she seems confused about what she wants. Anyway, he made a really great use of, uh, How glassy-eyed she is, you know, cuz Kristen Stewart has that like lost puppy dog.
[:[00:46:23] Frank Roll: was my favorite thing that she's been in until this,
[:[00:46:33] Frank Roll: my fucking, she killed it off. She, it was perfect. I felt awkward, but then when she's uh, you know, aroused and intrigued by the show and she talks to him after.
[:[00:46:41] Scott Moran: doesn't wanna get in trouble. But
[:[00:46:49] Scott Moran: way. She was, yeah. She's like, she was feeling feelings she'd never
[:[00:46:54] This is what I've been missing. Um, Her movements, just everything. I felt it, the her and the Whipped combo, a lot of those interactions gave me that old time sci-fi feel like I was watching some shit that had like, you know, solid dialogue. Just trippy, you know, like you'd say trippy men, you know, like just some sixties, seventies, weird sci-fi shit.
[:[00:47:22] Scott Moran: Yeah. But all the parts that were like definitely pret. I felt like he would deliver them in dialogue. This is a really talky movie. It's a lot of talking. It's a lot of whispering, but the pretentious parts almost all ended with this smug, right from Cronenberg.
[:[00:47:56] Frank Roll: and then there was the kinky playful, and it was just like,
[:[00:47:59] Yeah. Where she's like turned around and they get naked and they lay in the sarov against, they check this
[:[00:48:06] Scott Moran: ha. And the scene ends. And I was like, oh, that's, that's it. Okay.
[:[00:48:14] Scott Moran: side.
[:[00:48:20] like Iceland or like Toronto . Hey. Yeah. Not like Baton Rouge. Yeah. There you go. Sorry. Baton Rouge. I'm
[:[00:48:32] Scott Moran: Sorry, Louisiana. I would say that in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, I saw the most pretty girls dating guys with missing teeth I've ever seen in my entire life. Harold Kumar called it Man
[:[00:48:50] Scott Moran: It's beautiful. Yeah, it was like gold star goodness. It was one of those things I didn't know I was looking for until I stumbled onto it. I was worried at times. I usually go into movies being like, I'm gonna like this. I'm gonna try to like this. And this one, I was like, this is probably a piece of shit.
[:[00:49:08] Frank Roll: get lost in trying to. If
[:[00:49:16] Frank Roll: and just roll with it. Because they do have, they attempt cloture, well, not even closure, just like a, like the
[:[00:49:23] And then after the movie was over, I kind of felt like having more of it would spoil it. Mm-hmm. , like, if this was a television series, it wouldn't be very good.
[:[00:49:38] Scott Moran: not aging? No, man, he looks like he walked right off the underworld set onto this one.
[:[00:49:43] Frank Roll: you know, I, I had to double check.
[:[00:49:51] Frank Roll: I had to check the timeline of his movies. Check his age. He looks the same.
[:[00:49:59] Frank Roll: apparently. Apparently. Or Pharrell?
[:[00:50:04] Frank Roll: got a little bit of the vampire in him, is his name Scott? I don't know if Farrell's
[:[00:50:09] I found out, and that's weird because Black Scott, I've never met a black Scott before. I like that. Oh shit. In fact, in a David Wong book, there's a character they call Black Scott the whole time because they're like, you ever met a black Scott? That's random dude. It is random. That's a random shower, but Kate Cutty's name is, Okay, cool.
[:[00:50:33] Frank Roll: Uh,
[:[00:50:39] Frank Roll: One of the main characters. Oh, ex and Barbarian man. I'm gonna fucking do it. Like I'm
[:[00:50:46] Frank Roll: from 20. They're both right there. They're both, I, I can go home and watch one right now if I could just fucking stay awake when I got home.
[:[00:51:11] Frank Roll: plastic.
[:[00:51:14] Scott Moran: That's the police were trying to cover up was they were like, we don't want people to know that they can evolve to eat plastic. So Lang's
[:[00:51:25] Scott Moran: Yeah. Speedman had some of the best dialogue in this. Yeah.
[:[00:51:29] You know, his line about peace and harmony in the techno world we created. I was like, boom, you got
[:[00:51:52] Well, and I wanted
[:[00:52:02] Scott Moran: didn't seem to think that though. He
[:[00:52:07] Scott Moran: glow.
[:[00:52:23] Frank Roll: Well, the beautiful woman who just gets the slices in the face, like she starts going, hell ra
[:[00:52:26] When did they swap out the kids organs for the big,
[:[00:52:43] She was going to rebel. She was going to make a statement. I
[:[00:53:01] Frank Roll: like that's not me filling.
[:[00:53:09] Scott Moran: like, oh, she, and that's exactly why. Movies like this, I end up rewatching.
[:[00:53:23] It's one of those that's you. You could probably rewatch this 1, 2, 3 times and still find new shit.
[:[00:53:30] Frank Roll: she did it. And I thought that's what you were asking me was literally when did she do it? And I was trying to create filler for that because that was a hole that
[:[00:53:39] I had written down when the movie ended. Mm-hmm. , we find out that Vigo can eat the bars. Yes. Without
[:[00:53:52] you're
[:[00:53:59] They watched a weird movie. It was
[:[00:54:02] Scott Moran: Yeah, it was beautiful. It was a beautiful moment and, but at the time, Right after I finished it, I was like, I don't know if I'm satisfied. A whole day passed between then and now. I feel very satisfied. No, I was good with it. I kept thinking about
[:[00:54:16] If I feel like someone would respect the movie for what it is, I would recommend it to
[:[00:54:31] You know, I keep saying straight story because that's the only David Lynch movie that is not a David Lynch movie, . It's just a man on a lawn
[:[00:55:00] Pleasant
[:[00:55:13] Scott Moran: and it looked great and Vigo was fucking great in it.
[:[00:55:23] Frank Roll: And I was just checking to see if there was anything else, like, you know, just an honorable mention. I think we covered it all. I liked it. Like I said, if I, if I talk to a person and knew that they could appreciate this or like, you know, you're saying their fan of the director, go for it.
[:[00:55:36] Scott Moran: But if you're looking for heavy story and knowing what the hell's going on, yeah. Uh, maybe go somewhere else. You're gonna
[:[00:55:43] Scott Moran: breadcrumbs. But at the same time, I thought this movie's kind of sweet and kind of, uh, not as gross as I expected it. I was a little afraid.
[:[00:55:52] Scott Moran: cutting and Oh, you thought it would be less so?
[:[00:56:05] Frank Roll: I mean, she did go down on his, uh,
[:[00:56:23] Frank Roll: Cronenberg. Cronenberg. Cronenberg. Cronenberg Bergen.
[:[00:56:30] Scott Moran: Cronenberg. So next time we were gonna watch Dutch, we're still trying to figure that out. That was gonna be our big Thanksgiving movie cuz. My favorite Thanksgiving movie,
[:[00:56:43] Scott Moran: It's nowhere.
[:[00:57:04] The dinner party, dinner party movies are concerned. Yeah, what we were looking for in it. But it is probably our first dinner party. When we were kids, and it's been a long time since I watched it. We'll definitely be able to find that. That's on Showtime and I have the fucking DVD of that fucking Tim Curry.
[:[00:57:25] Frank Roll: talk about it. Well, I watch that. Maybe that's the show that I can get, um, wifey to jump in on so we can make it like a regular thing.
[:[00:57:33] Frank Roll: You know, we were into that Hot D.
[:[00:57:40] Scott Moran: definitely check out the peripheral. You'll like it? Oh yeah. Not big. Even if it's just you, you'll like it if, uh, your wife isn't as into it. I watched that last, but Kelly liked it a lot.
[:[00:57:59] Um, or Hulu movie. Oh, I think it was Hulu, not Amazon Prime.
[:[00:58:06] Frank Roll: Okay. That one was just
[:[00:58:08] Scott Moran: though. Yeah, it was wrong. Bummer fucking girl in a
[:[00:58:18] I would like to see her in the, like something sci-fi. That's good. And that last preview won me over. I can't wait to check it out.
[:[00:58:29] Frank Roll: Cronenberg Cronenberg Cronenberg Cronenberg. Thanks everyone for joining us. For the last Video Store Clerks podcast, be sure to leave a rating and subscribe.
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