The Counselor

The Counselor

Scott: [: 00:00:00

Frank: of blockbuster, Hollywood, and the independent video

Scott: store over. But the days of searching the shelves for hidden gems and overlooked call classics is never ending.

Frank: Join us while we drown in a sea of streaming options and ask the question, what the hell

Scott: is a good movie.

Anyway, I'm Frank

Frank: I'm Scott. And where are the last video store clerks.

Scott: Ace Ventura is a problematic movie now?

Frank: Like man, when's the last time you watched me, myself and Irene.

Scott: I will say the worst part of Ace Ventura when I was a kid, was I watched blade runner when I was super young mm-hmm and, uh, June and Sean Young was like a big crush.

a weirdly traumatic moment. [: 00:01:00

Frank: who's a, how much did you, did you watch that

Scott: a lot as a kid?

That's why I know what the song, the crying game is. Well, yeah. Uh, he takes that shower.

Frank: no. Oh God. Yeah, no, no, those movies, everything was just a little more raw

Scott: then I think when they thought something was funny, they were like, I don't care. It's funny. It was the nineties, you know, we were after the squeaky clean, like you have to like everyone, eighties, and then your two, uh, you know, the nineties where we're like, well, we don't care about your feelings.

Yeah. If your feelings get hurt, you are being soft.

Frank: Is it crazy to think that dumb and dumber was a kid's movie? No, cause I watch it now and I'm like, damn, like

Scott: some of that it's Farley brothers movie. It's dark. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking, yeah.

Frank: I mean, yeah. You see what they've made since then, but like at the time

Scott: it was well, and that was, was that after there's something got married or before it, before I believe, but after

Frank: kingpin.

mb and dumber, I believe was [: 00:02:00

Scott: but all those movies I listed; I watched when I was a kid.

Frank: Yeah, no, all of them all day. Yeah.

Scott: How many times I loved kingpin, but it's fucked up when you watch it as an adult.

You're like, who, let me watch this shit. Uh, I mean, So

so the rehearsal. Okay. What's the rehearsal. You didn't look it up. It's Nathan fielder's new show Nathan for you. Mm-hmm he

Frank: I've seen, uh, I've seen it on something.

Scott: It's cuz I was like, oh, that's it's on HBO max. It's an HBO max series. I've seen it on

Frank: there, but I didn't even like look at the info.

Scott: It's fucking elaborate, dude.

her test kid, I'm holding my [: 00:03:00

her like test. She is trying to decide whether she wants to have a baby or not. Mm-hmm . And so he sets it up as a rehearsal and every week, the child ages three years, but then there's all these child labor laws in it. it's so complicated and only three episodes have aired so

Frank: far. Is it cringy, awkward the way Nathan for you went?

Yeah, just as much.

Scott: Yeah, but, uh, this is far more elaborate. Okay. Like it's like where Nathan for you would accidentally become elaborate. This is like that with HBO budget. Cool. So, it's, it goes big. Some

Frank: people probably can't handle that

Scott: shit. Uh, Kelly didn't like Nathan for you, but she was into this. See

Frank: a little, this was a little here.

She just did not like how incredibly awkward you felt at all times. Mm-hmm

Scott: yeah. Just oh, and we should mention Frank is. Little

Frank: sick. I'm a little sick. We talked about it, but we

Scott: didn't record it. You sound kind of good. It's kind of, it's kind of sexy.

Frank: No, I mean, it's a different level. It's a different level.

Like I said, I can hit those smash mouth notes. Um,

Scott: yeah. And you seem to [: 00:04:00

Frank: it together for this because like, it was either happening tonight or it wasn't happening this week. We can't afford this fucking now or never fucking. I'm a football player. Yeah.

Scott: You gotta pump up the volume.

But I was like, oh my God. There's because I remember I was talking about Nathan for you when it was first coming on. And, uh, yeah, it took

Frank: me a little while it took me a little while to check it out. But then when I finally checked it out, I was

Scott: down. This is so crazy. I. You should you really need to check this out?

I'll see it. Uh, what'd you watch this week.

Frank: Oh, um, so there's a new scream out on paramount

Scott: plus I wanna see it really bad. I, I really do so. Oh. And they

Frank: have all the screen movies on there right now, but they're all I've been looking and I've been wondering, should I do it? Should I it's been a while and I want to, the little thing popped up.

All of them are leaving August 31st. So it's an hour never

Scott: leaving paramount, paramount plus. Oh, that means that they're coming to me

Frank: anytime now, unless they do that weird split up shit where it's like three, go to Netflix. One goes to Hulu. One goes to Amazon. I only need the one.

Scott: You just need the new one.

Yeah. Oh, [: 00:05:00

Frank: which I've only seen

Scott: once. Yeah. Cause we watched it. We went on our honeymoon. Was that your first time over Halloween? Yeah, so it, we were like up in the mountains watching fucking horror movies nonstop. Which is honestly what we did last time we went to Colorado, we went and stayed in the Stanley hotel.

Mm-hmm and we just watched horror movies. The whole time was October. Ah, that sounds so nice. It was awesome. Those rooms are not worth what they cost as far as a hotel room goes Uhhuh, but staying in it is. Is pretty worthwhile, no creepy chick in your bathtub? Uh, no, damn. I mean, actually, you know, I didn't worry about that as much as I, they have their own ghosts.

s in the hotel and the ghost [: 00:06:00

It got us a couple times that like doors would creak and stuff and you were like, was that stage. And then he'd be like, go look the door and you'd like, go look at it. And you'd be like, yeah, no, I don't think so. I've never been on a ghost tour. It's on the list. It was spooky, especially, it was like 12 people.

That's a great place to do it though. Oh, it was great. And it starts at like 10 o'clock at night. Like super dark outside and, uh, takes you building to building the Stanley. It's crazy. I'm sure there's plenty of them around Texas. It's a spooky hotel. I have lots of stories of that trip being weird, weird children in the hallway.

And didn't see a kid the whole fucking time we were there.

Frank: Never know what you're gonna find in the walls. Um, yeah, I mean, so yeah, the screams I'm catching up, going through those, watch the Bob burgers movie. It was

Scott: good. I'll watch that one. It was good. Just

Frank: there for free. They did it well started the new Woodstock documentary that's on Netflix.

that, but I had never heard [: 00:07:00

Yeah.

Frank: well, I knew what I thought I knew about that Woodstock. And then I watched the HBO doc. Learned so much more. He's a lot of perspective. Yeah. And a lot of it was, uh, the bro factor. Yeah. You know, you look at who, the majority of that crowd base was

Scott: from a, from a retrospective standpoint. Mm-hmm I kind of like that the generation that had Woodstock, it was all like peace and love.

I'm sure there was plenty of shit you don't hear about as romanticized.

Frank: They tried to have that aspect, but just the crowd would,

Scott: was not allowing. I think it's funny. Marketing went to package that for our generation and then charged us money for water. And we burned it to the fucking ground, which is kind of awesome.

Check

h. But the HBO one opened my [: 00:08:00

Okay. Um, other than that, it was, oh, the

new

Scott: Hellboy. How was it in comparison to the old ones? Let's say in comparison with the second two, the sequels,

Frank: uh, you know, I think Ron Pearlman, that cast was just good and it had its own. This one has a different feel. I, I think what they tried to do was capture everything that wasn't captured in that first set of movies.

Scott: Pearlman was amazing though. He was, you can't beat. But I, I love that. I love fucking what's it. David Harper. I like him. I wanna see him in more stuff. Yeah.

Frank: It, it was, uh, it was good. It didn't draw me in. I watched it. I was cool with it, but probably watched the other Hellboy before I'd watched that

Scott: again.

It didn't need to happen. It didn't some things aged. Pretty good. Yeah. You know, like, uh, the third blade movie. I thought it was terrible when it came out. I still haven't watched

Frank: it again. It's been on so much stuff. Ryan Reynolds.

Scott: Yeah. Yeah. And Jessica BELE, but I like it as a superhero movie being post a Marvel cinematic universe.

ck at that, that blade movie [: 00:09:00

Frank: one, which I did watch just recently, I've watched it in the last

Scott: two or three months. That one. So bad, man. Stephen do so dark Stephen Dorf. Yeah. Oh, and that when that guy gets taken outside in the sun, the guy who's also in his Ventura.

Yes. Yes. very, very, very,

Frank: very well. He's got those eyes.

No. Um, yeah, it, it was hardcore and yeah. What did they wear? Like some UV cream under some motorcycle helmets. Yeah. I

Scott: liked it. That was a good touch. I'm like Stephen doff is, is good.

Frank: Yeah, he's fine. You know, what was that movie? The gate back in the day. Oh yeah.

Scott: Yeah. That was Stephen dwarf, the hole in the yard with the hole.

The, that was fucked up. You know, that kid had a

Frank: closet

Scott: full of toys. That was like a scary moment in my childhood. I haven't thought about it in. I'm glad I could bring that back for you. Yeah,

Frank: I did it, it came on TV a

Scott: ton when I was little. Yeah. That's what up there was the beginning of flight and the navigator for me, but he a closet full

Frank: of toys that were in the boxes.

I will never forget that. [: 00:10:00

Scott: cool. I remember thinking that like how do you play with those? Yeah. Every time I'd see that when I was a kid, I still to this day, I think it's cool. If you have a huge action figure collection Uhhuh, I think it's great. But how do you do that with not take him out and play with them and shit, dude,

Frank: all my shit is in boxes

Scott: in the.

I'm a grown ass, man. I'm gonna play with some extra figures. like I said, I'm gonna hit you up when I go through those boxes every now and then I'll build a model. And when no one's around

Frank: dude, I got GI Joe's micro machines. Oh, I

Scott: watched, uh, Uma UMBA eh, it's all right. It looked a little TV. Ish started really scary. Uh, really, really scary in the beginning of it. Like, I was like, oh, grudge vibe, you know, nice. Like, uh, it had that. Though mm-hmm and then, uh, I don't know how much Japanese horror you've watched, but there's a lot of it that kind of Peter's out at the end.

And it had that Asian horror feel. You were the

Frank: person who probably pushed the most on me. I'd go over to your house when we'd watch

hat stopped being scary. And [: 00:11:00

So I mean like it's like, you know, that's, that's the

Frank: whole deal. Was it clear that it was her mother? Not like a GLE and Handel thing? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, for sure. We don't wanna give mixed up as to who is who

Scott: there was no sort of overlap with that. Jesus

Frank: don't take me back. I thought there was real hope for GD and Hael,

Scott: uh, It was fine.

Not great.

Frank: Still fine. I just, the thing

Scott: got me. Who's who's the mom, we randomly watched independence day and Kelly realized she hadn't seen it since it was in the theater. I watched that shit once a year. Uh, it's been, it might be 15 years since I've seen that. I watch it every 4th

Frank: of July weekend. Oh really?

Like every 4th of July break, I'm watching independent today. At least once it's my

Scott: ritual. It was still good. I, I did, uh, I was like this isn't as I made the mistake of watching it in ultra high. All of the, uh, fire was pixelated because like the frame rate couldn't handle it

r something. My, uh, the jet [: 00:12:00

Those were what

Scott: hurt me the most. Yeah. That, that too. Yeah. But I deal with it. I put up. No, it's fine. It, I remember it. We went and saw that 4th of July weekend. Just go watch independence

Frank: day resurgence. Cuz it's the same movie, but newer. I

Scott: don't know if I want that though. Have you ever seen it? No, I

Frank: haven't seen it.

It's the same movie, but newer, slightly different. But it's basically the same thing. Sorry to say it. If anybody disagrees on

Scott: that, I probably, I will watch it eventually, but I'm not, uh, I'm not running to it. It was

Frank: very pretty, you know, you're not gonna get that pixelation in the fire

Scott: and resurgence, you know, the, the pixelation, it didn't ruin it for me.

I still got a little emotional when bill Pullman gave that speech today. Is our independence day. I thought you were gonna start from the beginning. oh, no, no, no. I was like, oh shit. Easy. He knows the whole

Frank: fucking speech. There's so many good ones in there. Welcome to earth. Don't make me cry

Scott: on the podcast.

Frank

Frank: I'm gonna try something Stevie. That's like tell

Scott: my kids.

Frank: I love him. Kick the tires and light the fires. Kick daddy.

um, but it was really good. [: 00:13:00

Frank: too. I wanna hug him working at the store downtown when south by came through somebody there got to like, hang out and have coffee with him till really late in the morning.

And they were telling us about it. Were you there for that? No. No. Jeff Goldblum. And was it Hannibal Burris? It was like too, like Jeff gold. Like they didn't seem like they were

Scott: we're meant to be

Frank: together. Yeah. But they were at some coffee shop. Somebody that was working with me was like, dude. So we just chilled around him and like, we talked to like two, three in the morning and I said, oh, like, that must have been fucking

Scott: spectacular.

But here's what I think would happen is, uh, if me, you met Jeff Goldblum, we'd probably be with our wives when that happened. And he would be like, oh yes, thank you. Hello. And then he would flirt with your wife right in front of you. I feel like he's got that. I'm so glad Jeff Goldblum hasn't gotten me too yet because the man is just, uh, asking for it.

I had this

Frank: conversation with my stepmom just a week ago. He's so

Scott: like, um, um,

Frank: but it's tasteful and women.

e don't think we get to make [: 00:14:00

Frank: I've seen, I've seen women in the industry comment on this. Everybody's like, he's just such a lovable man. Like they're all, it's just

Scott: the way he goes about it.

Yeah. I've, I've heard Jodi foster say the same thing. Yeah.

Frank: I mean, it was literally a topic for a minute. And so I heard women speak about,

Scott: yeah, he's a little touchy, I guess when I think about it, I think about him doing it to. Conan O'Brien every time he'd go on Conna O'Brien he would be like, oh, oh, oh, what's this suit made up.

And he'd like, touch Conan. And Conan would be like, I'm sure it was a bit cuz they know each other and it happened multiple times. If I wore nice

Frank: suits, Jeff Goldblum could definitely stroke my suit.

Scott: Oh, I feel like if you walked up to Jeff Goldblum in like a velvet shirt, he would touch your chest for sure.

Again, I, I don't think he could control himself. The man is tasting his words as he talks

Frank: he's did he's I think he's got a show on something called the world, according to Jeff Goldblum. And he does different topics. Yeah. I started

Scott: one that got he's nominated for an Emmy for it. Is he? Yeah. Yeah. Awesome.

us. Oh, maybe that's what it [: 00:15:00

What's on what we got,

Frank: like a Hulu Disney ESPN

Scott: bundle. Yeah. And I mean, you have apple TV now cuz you bought a phone.

Frank: So I know I have three, three months. I need to activate that. I know there's there's severance. Well, I'm ready to fucking chunk the Roku in the living room. So we'll have to make it official.

Fuck the Roku in the living room. Don't buy

Scott: the top dollar Roku. I just told my mom I was gonna buy a fucking Roku. I was like the piece of shit. Don't do it, not a good company. We

Frank: a fire stick. But, uh, so we bought the higher end Roku. I told you it's got the headset thing in the crew.

Scott: It's like, who were the first company?

And so they've just kind of skated on that. It's garbage. Yeah. It's garbage man. It's it was remote shitty plastic. And

Frank: the Clippy thing on the battery broke within the first month.

Scott: Yeah. And why your remote is not a pair of jeans. Why is it have a tag on it? thank you. I don't know if I've ever thought it out loud.

. It is weird. I don't like. [: 00:16:00

Frank: I don't know. I went back to my childhood though, where I used to have like four remotes, for some reason, you know, like sound system, TV, VCR, or something

Scott: else. I do like the headphone thing on the remote.

It didn't work. Oh, that's fucked up.

Frank: It worked once. That's like the only good thing. I know. That's part of why I bought it. Cuz the little one was little and I thought, oh, I can watch TV on the headset. You know like some earbuds. Yeah. It worked once and it was very quiet up all the way. Like it sucked. And then I have not gotten it to work.

I've tried here and there, different headsets plug, you know, nothing. fucking a hundred, hundred 20 bucks down the drain. I thought that was a great investment. Nope, that's crazy.

Scott: Yep. Never again. I feel like I watched something else. Oh, it was just, uh, we watched like four episodes of ban tree last night. I love it.

Excon becomes a small town sheriff. Oh shit. I've seen previews for that. I told you to watch it in that previous

Frank: episode. That's what it was. Who, who is it again? It's

ason. Uh, that shit is rated [: 00:17:00

So, I mean, it must get I'm four or five episodes deep now. And, uh, it's. Fucking

Frank: bat shit crazy. Banty banty

Scott: banty ban. Yeah, but you can see the production improving as it goes. Cause it was a early cinema series, you know? So it's a little, uh, there's lots of fucking, which you know, I'm always in favor of makes sense.

Frank: Cinema. They've got that Manuel money.

Scott: That Manuel money. Yeah. You man, I do. That was a fucking video store clerk. We had all of them, Manuel.

Frank: Well in.

Scott: We, we definitely had that. We had a lot of like, uh, we had a lot of soft core porn. Like we didn't have a porn section with a curtain and stuff like that. It, it was mixed in, but I, I did work in that kind of video.

, but it was like, it was so [: 00:18:00

Frank: core.

What was the, what was the section at blockbuster? It was something in. Do you remember that? I feel like it was called something. I think it was

Scott: just called special interest. Special interest. Yeah. I think that was it. Yeah. Yeah. It was like the red shoe diaries section. Well, I feel like they had

Frank: faces of death at

Scott: one point.

Oh, they did. Yeah. Which was

Frank: fucking crazy. Remember that's people dying

Scott: on VHS. Yeah. Cause I remember somebody I was with rented faces of death and then spent the entire night trying to convince me to watch it. And I was like, I'm not doing that. I think

Frank: I'd seen, I'd seen small things online, but I'd never actually watched like one of the whole tapes or anything.

Mm-hmm um, God, I think it goes back to slip knot's original website. They had some sick stuff

Scott: on that website. Oh yeah. They were fucking. Brutal back in the day, you'd put together this puzzle. Let say what you want about whose flip not became, but when that shit, no, like first came out. They, they were not marketing shit to like teenage new metal kids.

It [: 00:19:00

Frank: metal. Yeah. It was when you had to put the entire website address into the bar, you know? Yeah. And then you'd go and they had this like puzzle of the wheat and it was a picture that was in pu. And when you put it together, it was some of the most graphic shit I'd ever seen in my life.

Up until that point.

Scott: Tool used to do shit like that too, where there were like hidden links all over their website. Mm-hmm I missed those heyday websites with my website. I wanted to do shit like that, but it's like, oh God, yeah, there was one P one's gonna do that anymore. No, one's gonna spend that much time on a website, especially now with, you know, taking marketing stuff and doing it for work stuff.

Like nobody's gonna fucking hide. Yeah. The shock

Frank: value's gone. A lot of people are kind of numb to it at this point. It doesn't have the same effect faces of death at blockbuster though. I'm not sure if Hollywood ever in its history I'm I don't know if it ever in its history had an adult area, not during my time at the end that's for

Scott: sure.

But no, there was never porn at blockbuster or Hollywood or anything like that. My sort of video store would have it just. I think it was a little too family oriented. Yeah. As far as neighborhood, you know, goes

movie gallery and ELGAN had [: 00:20:00

Scott: had the curtain did it. Oh yeah. That's I don't remember.

Cause when I first got a membership at, I, I always did it just cuz I always wanted to just go back, go back there, ran a fucking porn and take it home and I'd be like, this is a really long why. Oh wow. Porn porn is long. . Gotta .

Frank: gotta get that story just right. Yeah.

Scott: Keep, I was looking for pages of boobs buried in the woods by hunters.

I didn't need an hour and a half

do you think like people were just making their way slowly through a VHS tape of porn? Just PO oh, That's enough.

Frank: Imagine having to adjust the tracking in that like, oh man, hold on. Oh man. Getting the button one way or the other, like,

Scott: God, hurry, come on. Ah. That's why I think, uh, VR porn is not sustainable is because like low battery

Frank: or it's like all fun and games till you take the visor off.

And you're like, oh man, it hit the TV. Oh, the

u know, naked, masturbating. [: 00:21:00

Frank: about Mary, you have that Ben Stiller moment, like, where'd it go?

Scott: for sure. You pull it up. Just blinded by all of it.

I'll jump on that train. When they full immersion, like in fucking some of those movies where you gotta a place and get a pod or something, you

Frank: gotta black light next to the couch, just to kind of like spot shine everywhere to see what's up. Oh man. Oh man. Or, you know, it's a week later. You're like, what's the dog licking on the floor.

You ah, no kisses for you, boy. God

Scott: so you, we watched the counselor this week. Well, feel like this, uh, I'm gonna label this one split decision because of the way you've just presented how you felt about it. Yeah. It's

Frank: not a witches in the woods situation, not the same thing. I just, we can

Scott: talk about it. I dug this movie.

I liked it more the second time. And, uh, then I am passing kind of watched it today. Be familiarize. It

Frank: has so much.

Scott: So much. I thought it had what I wanted

n in my notes was execution. [: 00:22:00

Scott: I will say, I think some of, uh, some of this movie could have been a little bit shorter.

Some of the fact could have been trimmed off of it. And I thought it would've improved it. I wouldn't have changed too much though. Yeah. I really liked what I got out of it. And cuz I think this movie's a fucking onion. The, the more you look at it, the more you're like, oh, all of this, every. Felt like it had something to do with the overall idea to me.

And the more I looked at it and the more I thought about it over the last, you know, I watched it Sunday. Mm-hmm . So the last few days I've just been thinking about this movie. I didn't even look up, I don't have a lot of trivia about this movie or anything like that. This one stuck with me for days. And, uh, I wanted to kind of refamiliarize myself to make sure that my ideas were still the same today.

This still goes down in history. And I said this, I don't know if I said it on the podcast. Definitely said this multiple times, this movie has one of my favorite scenes in a movie ever of all time. We're gonna talk about that after the summary.

'll talk about it. Is it the [: 00:23:00

Scott: is that I think it is?

I think it probably is.

Frank: um, yeah, I mean, that was unique. Um, that's that's yes, it was. Yeah. Yes. The got, yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I

Scott: do the summary. Okay. I have polarizing reviews on this too, that we'll get to at the end, which I think, uh, I feel like we're gonna. On the sides of these. So I'm glad I grabbed them. Well, I'm not sure he's Frank still has not revealed to me exactly how he feels about the movie or what it really is that I kind of just,

Frank: it had so much potential to me.

I, I talk shit about a lot of the reviews of different things lately, but I went to, you know, rotten tomatoes and I looked at how much, this movie grossed a lot. So it's really weird. I think it was just over like something like 17 million us in Canada. Mm. And then over 50 million rest of the world. So combined over 70, but the rest of the world was seeing something that the us and Canada didn't.

I think I saw something in this film that I think that's what I saw and yeah, but then, you know, let's go to rotten tomatoes. You look at the audience score

Scott: and [: 00:24:00

Sometimes I want literary merit. Mm-hmm out of a movie. I wanna think about it for a long time and figure it out. And, uh, that's why I kept watching fucking lost highway over and over again was I was hoping it was in there. I'm not sure it is. Didn't lost highway. This one has it though. Because I keep, I saw a little more

Frank: every time.

See, in my mind, this was not the same style by any means as traffic or crash. Oh, no. Or Sakari no, it was a different field than any of those. But those were all more well done than this in my mind. I

Scott: could only compare this to no country for all Ben, because it's the same sort of storytelling. I can see a touch that you're not fully attached to any of these people.

Most of 'em don't even have names. Well, our, our

Frank: big character of focus was the

ere's multiple characters in [: 00:25:00

The, I tried to be as concise as possible, cuz it is kind of hard to explain what the plot of this movie is. Exactly. If you especially, I'm always looking for the pattern in the plot and you can't do that in a fucking Cormac McCarthy book. I do think this was a great Ridley Scott movie, but I think if the coen brothers had done it, they would've.

Latched onto some of the nuances in a better way than he did. Also, his brother died halfway through this movie. So who knows how much post production got attended to also the assistant director died? Mm. So this is a Poltergeist

Frank: maybe that's why I feel like it was missing the mark.

Scott: Most of my complaints about this movie have to do with, uh, this scene ran a little along.

This conversation could have been trimmed. Stuff like that, but at the same time, I like the conversations. I like some of these longer scenes we'll we'll talk about. Yeah, we'll talk more about it.

Frank: I was gonna say something, but yeah, we'll do,

exactly the spoiler warning [: 00:26:00

Uh, I don't know that you will necessarily super enjoy talking about. Listening to us talk about this movie, if you have no frame of reference to it whatsoever, but I don't know. It's gonna be kind of hard to talk about. Yeah. So, I tried to make like this, uh, summary as concise as possible. So, I kind of force myself to run down.

What is the idea of this movie or what's it about because there's not a hero’s journey feel. To this, this is almost like circumstance and things sort of fall apart for you're looking for like a reason, any of the shit's happening a lot in this movie. I don't think there necessarily was a reason. No, there

Frank: was really no point of focus.

I mean, I, I got it.

Scott: Yeah. Got what they were trying to that's the thing is, I think maybe the point of focus had more to do with the theme than it did the people. There were easier ways to do it. There were, there always are that's wrong with Cormac McCarthy. He's not gonna let you off easy, but, and he wrote this movie, you know, it

Frank: [: 00:27:00

Like I said the potential I broken record, but I didn't feel, oh man, I just can't even think of a good word. I didn't feel complete. I felt like something was missing and I was so close to wanting to love it. So

Scott: the counselor was written by cor Mac McCarthy directed by Ridley, Scott and star Michael FOS bender, Javier bar.

Penelope Cruz, Cameron Diaz and Brad Pitt. There are lots more people in this, John, like Zamo was in this and he's not in the credits. Oh, he is not, not in the credits at all. Neither was a Councilman select, rainy, whatever. Uh, the guy from breaking bad. Yeah. Um, live fire actually died. We mentioned him before.

lfriend Malkin crazy fucking [: 00:28:00

And the counselor discussed the counselor's first ever investment in the Mexican drug trade. Reiner talks about his mistrust of. Girlfriend played by Cameron Diaz and the execution device called a Polito, which gradually strangles and eventually decapitates its victim. After delivering his investment to west Ray played by Brad Pitt who warns him.

The cartels are merciless often, as far as going to make snuff films. He visits an inmate named Ruth, who is on trial for murder. She explains that her son is a biker and he was arrested for speeding. The counselor agrees to bail him out as a. During this Quin sees an opportunity. She employs a man called the wireman to help steal the drug shipment.

a lot of things happening at [: 00:29:00

Which I think the first time I watched it, I liked it because I like. The dialogue a whole lot. So many things are happening at once. It is jarring sometimes. Well, at the same time, the scenes really take their time, but it wasn't that fast pace. No, it wasn't fast pace at all, but every single scene in this movie, I felt like it, it served the main idea.

And I really, I really felt the relationship opening the way it did with them in bed, which this was one of the hottest scenes in a movie, I think I've ever seen. Yeah.

Frank: She was like open your eyes. No, I, that was from vanilla's guy. I know

Scott: it was

Frank: no, um, yeah, no, it was different, but when he's

Scott: like, she's like I should clean up down there when he tells her to put his beautiful face between her legs. Yeah. He goes, I don't want you to, I was like, this is fucking hot, dude. Yeah. He's okay with morning breath. I like that. I like that a lot. . I got the feeling that the diamond, him buying the diamond for her right after that was slow.

see how you would lose some [: 00:30:00

Frank: I tried it the night before I watched. I fell asleep right there. Oh really? No shit.

Scott: I feel like that diamond scene is one of the most important scenes in the movie. I REW it and

Frank: rewatched the whole thing the next morning when I picked it up.

Scott: Yeah. The amount of subtext that happens him talking about the impurities of the diamond and what adornment is had a lot to do with what this movie was about.

We find something pretty and we adorn it with this diamond to make it even more beautiful because we, we want it to be the most beautiful it could possibly be. And then I think a lot of this movie had to do with. This man who was about adoring things, his life was largely about like, I'm gonna build this club with this guy and I have this beautiful wife and greed.

Yeah,

Frank: greed. That's what I'm saying. For sure. You can break this down a lot by

Scott: simplifying. I think that's what Cormac McCarthy writes about a lot. So I feel like I signed up for that and I also knew that it wasn't gonna be quite as action packed as no country for old. As far as things go, well, we had one car chase.

ing. So I thought this movie [: 00:31:00

Frank: seen I'm down to time. What was the second one there?

What was

Scott: Muji? The, the greatest murder sequence I've ever seen when just one of the best the car chase, the Balla. Oh, that because that's the, the big thing with this movie. I think this movie is the Beita. Well,

Frank: there's several other things and I just keep wanting to say, we can go to that later. How the diamonds go to the

Scott: beginning and the end of the movie, the diamonds go to the beginning of the end of the movie.

Like, like that's cool. But that speech he's giving in when he's buying the diamond about, uh, what we look for is imperfection. Yes. That was beautiful to me.

Frank: Oh, no, I agree that line, that whole little section of that first at the diamond dealer, I think

Scott: it goes too long because I don't think the counselor gets.

I don't think he sees the imperfection in the diamond. He's like, I think I see it. Yeah. And I think that's, that's the most telling thing about his character in this movie. I don't want to

nk: watch another movie with [: 00:32:00

Scott: but he does magni happen an American accent?

I don't think so. I think it's a little he's British. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He or he is at least very distinguished.

Frank: Seen him in so much not doing the American thing. I mean, I'm not saying

Scott: doesn't David have an American accent in Prometheus. It's

Frank: proper English. If you know, like that whole twenties, like that were

Scott: affluent thing that accent that never existed in this country that people

Frank: made up was part of made up for movies.

Yes, no. Um, yeah, no, it wasn't that, yeah, maybe a little bit. Um, but this was just too, and, and this is not what, what killed it for me whatsoever. It's just one of those things that kept, it was like the singing. In paradise Hills.

Scott: that's a weird comparison. I didn't like

Frank: it. that's what I'm getting to his American accent.

Oh, he is American accent. Okay. Yes. Yes. His American accent is how I felt about the singing in paradise.

Scott: And I think it would've been fine if, uh, Multiple characters in this movie were, you know, he didn't need to do a Texas accent.

as accent, even though he is [: 00:33:00

Well, yeah.

Scott: Roundabout way. Well, he didn't even need to be from Texas. He could be a lawyer practicing in Texas and be from anywhere

Frank: well, but they made it in El Paso and his car had Texas license plates.

Scott: Yeah. Cameron Diaz's in this movie is scary. She's fierce. Cameron Diaz's as a woman. Scares the fuck out of me, man.

She pulled JT for years. Dude, that scene in vanilla sky, we may have to cover it one day, cuz I'm not positive. Whether vanilla sky was good or not. I've never seen the original, but uh, I know it intrigued me enough to where I've watched it more than

rank: once back when that hit: 2001

I don't know what it was. Yeah. I've watched that a

Scott: few more than there's something about that movie that it demands a rewatch, but also, I, I'm not sure. One

Frank: of my first movies on DVD really vanilla sky. Wow. I think it might have been one of the first seven. Wow. I bought seven DVDs when I bought my first DVD player and I'm pretty sure I

Scott: can remember all seven.

Mall rats was the first DVD I ever

ever had it on DVD. I think [: 00:34:00

Scott: That'd be cool. If I could find it. I think I might have clerks on VHS still. I have clerks on VHS still. I have the clerk's cartoon on VHS. almost too late for that to be a thing.

For some reason, I have sin city on VHS and I really think I bought it because I was like, what the fuck? Why

Frank: is that on VHS? That was when you still had the VHS

Scott: DVD option. That was right at the end. No one was releasing VHS by. By the time sin city came out, but fucking Cameron Diaz's in vanilla sky.

Scared the fuck out of me. That scene in the car where she drives off the fucking bridge. Yeah. Unhinged chick all day. Holy fuck. And so this, I did read a little bit of trivia. This was originally cast as Angelina Jolie mm-hmm and she had some, I maybe she had, you know, freaked out and went and adopted a kid or something like that.

Who knows? .

Frank: She was like, uh, now she's still

Scott: rolling more money. Well, she was, was signed up to do that. I even think they may have filmed some of it with her mm-hmm and then had to refilm it. But, uh, Cameron Diaz was

much

Frank: better for this part.

reaks me out something about [: 00:35:00

I like saying that in like a

Frank: scary voice. Both Charlie's angels movies are on HBO max. Right now

Scott: I've seen the first. You haven't seen full throttle? No, I didn't see full throttle. Lucy, Lou bothers me despite the fact that I did watch a lot more of elementary than I expected.

Frank: Oh, wait. It was Justin throw in the first or second one.

The first one he was in the first one. Yeah. Yeah. He wasn't. Oh, second one is CRISPR glove. Yes.

Scott: Oh yeah. I know that, but I haven't, I haven't seen it. I almost watched that, uh, newer Charlie's angels movie. Oh, and then Stewart. Yeah, I pulled back at the last second. I was like, nah, no, no, I can't. Keep

Frank: underwater in your mind.

Scott: She did good underwater

Frank: was the shit. That was awesome. Oh my God, fucking awesome. That was one of the first movies I watched after you gave me your HBO max password. I was like underwater. Fuck. Yeah.

Scott: Javier Baram was fucking phenomenal in this movie as he is. I love pretty much everything.

Frank: I love how douchey they made him look to fit

Scott: that part.

That tan was the tan, that fucking hair. Yeah. And then he was fucking Cheetos. Yeah.

rank: And then those clothes [: 00:36:00

Scott: believable. I did think the Cheetos were underused. Cheetahs should have been around a little more. Yeah. I don't know how many days they had those cheetahs, but, but that was, they were trained really well.

That was like, I pet em, just that it was probably a trainer, but it's just sitting there petting

Frank: them. Well, and when they're hunting the rabbits, they're watching the cheetahs hunt, the rabbits. I thought that was great. Cuz that's

Scott: telling you who these people are. Yeah. They're just making drinks. That's so Texas man.

Yeah. That's Texas

Frank: money. Like let's go out and watch the fucking big cats. Chase them rabbits.

ld. You. Well, this movie was: 2013

Oh, well, I mean

Frank: nationwide. Yes.

Scott: As a whole, we Texas, Texas though. Big on it. Oh

Frank: yeah. We went to a sanctuary in Arkansas and so they had these maps laid out of hot spots and whatnot mm-hmm and we even got this cool checklist of when you're going to visit a place like that. It's little things that tell you, Hey, is this place legit on the level?

Or is this place sketchy as fuck? And they got it from one of these big cat guys that you're seeing on the

d of regular cats, so I mean [: 00:37:00

Frank: yeah. Well it's no the number. And then the stories, man, I mean, they're finding fucking like Jaguars and apartments in the

Scott: Bronx.

That's fucking

Frank: crazy, dude. Yeah, man. Um, it's, they're fucking everywhere. It's and the thing is they're not even that expensive. That's, what's really scary. Like you don't necessarily have to have money. You have to have money to have like a nice habitat, you know, show 'em off to your buddies when they come out

Scott: and drink at the ranch.

Yeah. But plenty of people don't have that even in Texas. Yeah. You got some guy like low level, like, oh, so if you have a fucking anything living outside, You're an asshole. Well, yeah, the

Frank: dude with the Jaguar in the Bronx apartment, that dude was probably some low level, you

Scott: know? Yeah. I don't care. It was from Africa or anything like that.

Like there's water in Africa. there's no water here.

Frank: no, man. Anyway. Yeah. I'll, I'll quit talking about, you know, save the big cats. I'm not saying kin's cool, but save the

Scott: big cats. I did like watching that story unfold though. I never saw tiger king, but I followed it as all that shit was happening. You gotta watch fun.

years of me being like, oh, [: 00:38:00

Frank: crazy. Well, what's his name? The guy who was doing his documentary.

What's his name? Robert Kirkman. There's a documentary on him. I watched a couple years ago cuz he was this newscaster who was up and coming, made it to the national level, but just kept smoking crack and banging prostitutes. Sweet. But he videotaped his whole life. So his whole downfall was, I think his name is fuck man.

I think it's Robert Kirkman. I could be wrong. The creator

Scott: of the walking dead. No,

Frank: see. I think that's why I'm getting fucked up, but I feel like his name is fucking Kirkman, but that's the guy who Joe exotic got to film him for his shows and things. So this guy that I watched to documentary about is in tiger king, cuz that's who was filming for Joe exotic.

anyway,

Scott: what'd you think of Brad Pitt and those isn't that? How you picture Brad Pitt dressing all the time anyway.

Frank: Yeah, I think he gets a bad rap because. He was that pretty boy back in the day, nineties,

didn't eat anything in this [: 00:39:00

Frank: think about it. Yeah. But he's always a no nonsense guy. Okay. Except for burn after reading, then I

Scott: love burn and bullet train. That looks fucking great. Yeah, I wasn't

Frank: that excited about it, but you know, I went and saw quite a few movies lately. Body has body

Scott: bodies as well. A lot of press on that one. Yeah.

It's on everybody. We got a lot. We'll we'll do some, some mini episodes about some of the stuff coming out. Cause we're, we're pumped in. We can't just only troll the, the bottom feeders, the streamers

Frank: where's my next found footage, horror

Scott: guys that the conversation with Brad Pitt was another one that like, I was like, this is what this whole movie is about.

Is this guy doesn't. He doesn't get how serious this is in head and over his head. And everybody warns him, everybody. But that's what the cautionary diamond, when he is talking about it, this is a cautionary diamond. And then Brad Pitt tells him when he is taken his money. He's like caution is a surety of someone else.

r a movie. which I was like, [: 00:40:00

Yeah.

Frank: I mean it to, to each their own, but at the same time, hang on.

Scott: I gotta turn my light on. I'm gonna derail everything. I can't fucking see I'm getting, I'm getting old. Don't get

Frank: electrocuted. Try not to I'll feel awkward. And I think my CPR card is expired.

Scott: I started recording earlier than normal, so it wasn't dark outside

Frank: yet.

Well, yeah. And oh, traffic is a different animal on the way to your house at 6 45 and 7 45. Interesting. Just by the way,

Scott: fuck. I, I don't leave. I know

Frank: I'm must shut in. Well, man. Okay. So I'm, I'm getting over this goal grow more pale every day. I had a nice glow going indoor camo um, but no, this movie, I see exactly what you're saying.

I feel as if they just, you know, and I think I've said it before about other things, I feel like they missed the mark just enough. I think a lot of

Scott: [: 00:41:00

So fucking story. Crazy shit comes outta that, man. No, I'll give it

Frank: that. I just,

Scott: there was this guy wrote all the pretty horses and fucking some of the most be a book about fucking a dead body. It is a real book he wrote and then James Franco made a movie out. Was that dead girl? No,

Frank: I was like, that was not a great horror

Scott: movie.

Oh, it was about a redneck that falls in love with the dead body. And when you read the book, like that's why James franker wanted to make a movie out of it because it's like an unfilmable thing, you know, , doesn't he have a philosophy degree. Uh, he has a creative writing degree. Okay.

Frank: Yeah, I just sniffled for the first time, right into the mic

Scott: and as both, a lot of creative writing majors probably has a philosophy

Frank: minor.

He was banging all those college chicks. Not surprised the me too on that one. I,

Scott: uh, neither am I. So that's one of those things he's

Frank: not okay. Touchy like Jeff Goldblum is

Yeah. Like I'm gonna see if [: 00:42:00

Frank: us cause they ain us.

sorry, Franco. I do love you. I just, that was that's a bad rap. I mean shouldn't

Scott: Rosie Perez was in here. It's so quick, but kind of a big part. Rosie Perez.

Frank: It's good to see her. Billy

Scott: she's in the flight attendant. She's like one of the main characters in the flight attendant. Have you seen that, that, that series?

Yeah, I watched the first one and then I didn't wanna watch the second

Frank: one. No, I gave it a chance and then I was, I was iffy about it is alright. I read some reviews. I think Olympia went further than me possibly. If that was even

Scott: that one, Kelly liked it a lot. It struck me as like a, a grocery store, a mystery novel.

She did not

Frank: try that. I tried it by myself. I just didn't. It was like nurse Jackie, not, I didn't, it wasn't quite for me that wouldn't stick with me either. But I do like, what's her name in nurse? Jackie. Oh, fuck me. Uh, Edie. Falco. Yeah. Tony Soprano's wife. Yeah.

Scott: but when she fucks. His car? Yes. This is one of my favorite scenes in a movie. I think this,

ds to hear about, about this [: 00:43:00

Scott: fuck. It was so weird and like the way it happening on camera and him telling the

Frank: story to him, like he's telling the story, but it's showing you what

Scott: happened.

And I, but I really felt his confus.

Frank: Yeah, this is a guy who's got money, loves to party, loves to live it up. And then here he is with his go-to chick at the moment. Does she tell him I'm gonna fuck your Ferrari? I'm gonna

Scott: fuck your car. That's what she car that's said. And then she does a full split on his windshield.

And when he's like, it was like, like a catfish or like one of those. Things stuck to the side of the aquarium. like, oh my God, I better description. There is not because he was and of the confusion on his face. Look on his face, in that scene. And when he is telling the story, he's still confused

Frank: because you can tell this character is a character.

Who's put it in everything. He can put it in wherever he can put it. And then, but this has blown him away. Doesn't like, that's

I don't know. She scares me. [: 00:44:00

And he's looking up at this thing happening on the windshield of his car. Yeah. I wish it, Mako. I not fucked my car.

Frank: well, in the way that you feel about that sex scene at the beginning, like yeah, you. He, he gives

Scott: he, well, this was the other side of the erotic coin for me, where I was like,

Frank: that's fucking weird.

Well, and no matter how I feel about this movie, fucking props for having the balls to do this.

Scott: Oh. And the icing on the cake is Michael FOS. Bender goes. Well, did she come ? Yeah,

Frank: fucking amazing. Because that's

Scott: what I was thinking in my head. And it made me think of ma rats where he's like, Jesus Christ, Gil

Frank: well, you know, they start in the car and I mean, you know, not so original, it's a Ferrari, so there's a stick shift right there.

got a natural born killers, [: 00:45:00

Scott: on the hood before that. Ah, oh yeah, that's right. But that was like a whole comparison sort of next time.

Don't be so eager. This was next level

Frank: though. Yeah. This was way past the Mallory knocks getting banged on the hood by the mechanic. Yeah.

And

Scott: what's he say it's too gynecological to be sexy. Yes. What

Frank: was, what does that even mean?

Scott: So confused. And he's like, why did you tell me this? And he's like, just forget about it.

And he's like, how am I supposed to do, you know, I don't know, just forget about it. And he, uh, just like, that felt so confused to me. And it really made me feel like that character, like he knew something wasn't right. Yeah. But he couldn't let

Frank: it go. No, the originality there, nothing. I haven't seen it.

at rich people do, man, when [: 00:46:00

Scott: and I asked her if she you'd never done that before.

And she said I've done everything and I believe her. what the fuck,

Frank: man. No, man, no matter what my thoughts. That was an amazing scene. Just I've never seen it. That was ballsy. Cameron Diaz was, you know, I'm sure that was a butt double in there. Maybe not. Yeah. But, you know, I've never seen that before you're blown away.

Yeah. You're blown away.

Scott: I think that's the moment where the movie starts to snowball, you know? Cause I think it slows down a little bit at the end. I can see what you're saying, where this movie was took its time a lot. In the beginning. Yeah. Well, one of

Frank: the underlying messages is greed. Just greed all around.

Oh yeah, for sure. Everybody's fucking greedy. And then you've got Cameron Diaz. Who's the fucking hunter like she's.

Scott: Yeah, but I don't think it's a warning about greed or anything like that necessarily, or even a, uh, it's a cautionary tale. For

Frank: sure. But greed is just so big in the movie. And then with Cameron Diaz's character, they didn't need to amplify that.

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Scott: they didn't need to amplify it. I am so grateful for this scene. I think this scene did it all. That's why the, uh, I did write down the, the confession. Thing where she goes, she flagrantly goes to the Catholic church and fucks with that priest. Oh, who is,

Frank: uh, I forget that guy's name, but he's in some shit.

Scott: Yeah. Yeah. Everybody was in something that was a really small role

Frank: for that guy. I thought. Yeah,

Scott: for sure. I wish I knew his name. Yeah. I, I just didn't look up as much stuff about who was in this movie and stuff like that. Cuz the script is the star of this movie as far as anything goes, which is crazy.

Cuz the amount of stars in this movie and uh, Javier Bardi watching him and Cameron Diaz in this movie. Make anything I could say negative about the rest of the movie, uh, moot to me because just that you, ain't never gonna forget that she fucked that car. No,

Frank: that's gonna be with me for the rest of my life.

Scott: Yeah. Pulled the mic close.

Frank: That's gonna be with me for the rest of my life.

Scott: The Lu, so you, weren't gonna, you, weren't gonna lay back. The lumbar

Frank: gave out. I didn't even realize.

Scott: Um, but uh, beyond [: 00:48:00

So if you're like, I, I have to see this crazy. Movie where Cameron Diaz fucks a car. Go watch it right now. It's on HBO max. But, uh, then the wireman plan comes in it. And you find out that she's doing something when they're watching the guy, the, with the thing in his

Frank: helmet, I really did assume it was her from a pretty early on point

Scott: in the story.

I don't think that was hidden in

Frank: any respect and I don't think it was supposed to be either, but it was a little flat to me at times.

Scott: Yeah. Maybe a little bit, but. I don't think by the end, it necessarily was. No, I will say she delivers last lines of the movie and I don't think she did the best job she could've in the restaurant scene.

I like the wire thing, because I think that's the bully. He pulls the wire. That's where the wire gets pulled and it starts to tighten. But then we have the

Frank: actual be till later

Scott: you didn't know it was around your neck the whole time.

Frank: I mean, that reminds me there's that whole just chance

Scott: thing. Let's just jump around with the end of the movie.

long that the Mexican cartel [: 00:49:00

Frank: in predator too. How's he, even there ,

Scott: maybe he's in prey. We'll find out. We'll find out how he did it beforehand.

But after, I don't know, time

Frank: travel, not a big fan of

Scott: turquoises jewelry. No me neither, but, uh, but it brings the diamond speech back around. Whereas just like you're the world you live will die with you and. That world won't continue to be here. The circle of life thing in a weird sense, there was a lot of caution, but I felt like he'd said it in every scene, don't do this man.

Like you shouldn't be doing this well. How do you feel about the, the

Frank: diamond correlation where it's, you know, at the beginning, all the deep speech about the diamond, what it means Uhhuh, and then at the end, she's talking about, you could sell diamonds, you know, or

Scott: see early in the movie. I thought she was just after that, that she knew that diamond was gonna be worth a lot of money.

e relationship and it didn't [: 00:50:00

Yeah, because he was thinking with the mind of white businessman pro America, which Brad Pitt tells him early in that scene real early on that that's who they want to kill. Who do you think they want to kill? They'll kill your wife. They'll kill your children. They'll feed your dog. You ever, he was.

Frank: And he was the focus of the story yet.

He wasn't the main character. He just

Scott: carried the story. Yeah. There was no main character. The main character was greed like you were saying.

Frank: Yeah. But so at the same time, I feel like things should have hit harder at certain points in the storyline.

Scott: I think it's hard to, uh, this movie. Was a lot to ask of its audience.

Frank: Yeah. And I don't always roll with the masses, but on this one, I just have to agree with

Scott: that. I, well, like we said, it was close. This is a 50 50 score on IMDB. And, uh, but the scene where fucking Brad Pitt dies before we get into reviews and stuff like that, of the movie and, and it's score the Polito in.

hose emotions. The counselor [: 00:51:00

Frank: they made it obvious though that it, something was about to happen. It didn't catch me off guard.

Yeah.

Scott: Natalie dormer was in there. And when that was confusing too, like in that scene beforehand where she high price call girl. Oh,

Frank: Frank's. It's starting to fall apart. , I've held it together for over an hour. But my, my sick, like my post sick nasal cavity is starting to

Scott: crumble. So under read two, uh, two bad reviews of it.

And these are high level, cuz this movie was fucking really Scott movie. So Todd McCarthy, the Hollywood reporter gave it a negative review. He called it. Not very likable or gratifying adding that one is left with a very bleak ending and only slightly less depressing sense of a waste of a lot of talent, both behind and in front of the camera that gave me a

Frank: half Chub dude.

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Shakespearean tale of consequences, an irrevocable artifice. He makes you work for it, but it's worth the work man.

Frank: Shakespearean. That's given it a lot of credit. I

Scott: feel like it is though. It's a very, uh, that's, it's a very like, um, McBeth comedy of errors

Frank: there. I don't know, man, Richard Roper, I'm gonna have to check to see if he's a Ferrari fan.

I think I might

Scott: have found the angle. I mean, if he is, can you fault him for that? Can you really fault him for that? Frank's dying again. He can't.

Frank: I'm just, I start talking and then all of a sudden, I sound like, you know, like, like, Hey, what's up, dude, don't worry about it. Hell you do it. Damn.

Scott: Danny lay of BBC program film praised it also.

He said the real star is the script.

Frank: Wow. Yeah. So that's part of that like, uh,

Scott: worldwide [: 00:53:00

We all sneered at, and we all laughed and thought we're terrible. And critics hated them at the time. And no one wanted to go to 'em and then 40 years later, we call them masterpieces. Time will fucking tell because I watched this movie three times now in my life and, uh, it's gotten better every time I watched it.

See,

on why this movie came out in: 2013

Scott: See, I, I, I found it because I love Cormac McCarthy. Yeah. And this was, uh, right after the road.

I think, I think the same production team originally as the road and then really Scott took it over well. So you've got rider's

Frank: wood for him.

ter and he is very, very old [: 00:54:00

Frank: be blinded by the writer's

Scott: would, uh, it's good fucking writing, man.

Frank: look, you can't hear it, but I can hear there's thumping over here. There's definitely thumping of the writer's wood. Don't touch

Scott: my penis.

I feel like I had a, uh, another bad review of it, but that may have been the only one that I thought.

Frank: No. And I'm just, this is not the worst movie that I've seen. I just, I wasn't a fan. I,

Scott: I get why you weren't a fan. I, but I I'd say that if you're, you're looking for a movie that is challenging that then I would recommend it to you a little bit.

See, I, if you, if you like that sort of, uh, this wasn't supposed to be a thriller, I don't think it was no, you know, the

Frank: depth, the depth is lacking. I we're at the shallow end of the pool here.

Scott: I don't think the depth was lacking at all. I don't understand what you mean by the depth was lacking. Like what is not just simple?

talked about how every scene [: 00:55:00

Frank: so loose. And I'm not saying like I

Scott: needed explain to you. Oh yeah, they were. But they, they felt like they felt like a novel. As far as like a scene goes, it's not written in a Hollywood screenplay.

I feel like

Frank: there's daytime TV. That's a little deeper than where this was at points.

Scott: I, I would disagree. completely having watched a significant amount of passions. Like I can say, see,

Frank: I was, I didn't get anything children guy. So I was deeper than

Scott: passions. I wanted some, uh, doll people. If I'm gonna watch daytime TV, what was his name?

Tim Timmy. those fucking Mickey mouse hands again,

Frank: not the worst. This was no witches in the woods. This had a great cast. They all did excellent in their roles except for FOSS Bend's accent.

Scott: This is one that, uh, the 50 50 rating. It makes perfect sense to me, but I think it's worth a watch. There's definitely, there are scenes in this movie that are gonna stick with you forever.

I was real worried about Penelope cruise,

mentioned traffic in crash. [: 00:56:00

Scott: I did in Sakari of all the movies you just mentioned is the only one I thought was really that good. You didn't think it was that good? I fucking hated traffic traffic bored needed

Frank: tears.

Well, wait, so you did think Sakari was good, but not traffic

Scott: or crash. I thought Sakari was great. Okay. I thought crash was a. Pile of shit. And I think that traffic was the in between of those two. Well, see, in traffic

Frank: and crash, we're at the tail end of that memento. Uh, what, you know, that whole fast intersecting storylines, the parallels Uhhuh, those were at the tail end of that.

Didn't crash one academy

Scott: awards. Oh, for sure. And I didn't deserve shit. Yeah. I don't think I deserved any of that. No, no, no. It was

Frank: a, it was a PLA we went and thought at the movie theater on a whim. In fact,

Scott: I wanna say that when crash was winning, that was when I became disenfranchised. Watching awards shows where I was like, this is bullshit.

Brendan

Frazier's

Frank: last movies, Frazier,

Scott: Fraser. I mean, Brendan Frazier has a movie coming out in like a month or two. I think it's a Darren Aoki movie or something like that.

ess a lot over the last year [: 00:57:00

Yeah. And so I think he's getting the support that he deserves. He was killing it in the fucking nineties, man. Yeah. And he's

Scott: in that DC. Two on, is he on HBO? That's good

Frank: for him. Yeah. Yeah. I fucking, he was awesome, man. He was one of those guys. He's great. When I was a kid, you know, outside of Encino, man, what was that one with honors.

Oh yeah. I really liked with honors, you know, I mean, it was like a good nineties drama.

Scott: I love blast from the past as problematic as it is now. So many lines from blast in the past. I wanna say right now and I can't

Frank: no, I'm, I'm really glad that he's getting opportunities. That's. See the nasally thing, come back gross.

I fucking can't stop. I made it. I made it over an hour.

Scott: I did. Yeah, you did. You did really good. I powered do this shit, man. So I, I gave you two options. You never got back to me, but, so I just went ahead and wrote, I did. Oh, you did check the

Frank: text. I said, TMT.

Scott: Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. Well, next time we're doing teenage mutant ninja turtles.

ne. Oh. That maybe we needed [: 00:58:00

Frank: only drawback.

I feel like I watched it eight to 10 months. Really? Yeah. It came on something and I was like, oh yeah, cuz I did that one then secret of the

Scott: use. Well, this is also as long as we've known each other. I don't think we've ever talked about teenage mu ninja turtles, but I watched the shit of this when I was a kid.

We talked

Frank: about it a little because we talked about the April O'Neal

Scott: April O'Neal has come up a lot, which is kind of why this popped into my head. Well, the April O'Neal it's on HBO max right now. So, you know, origin. Teenage ninja turtles thing, secret

Frank: of the ooze, the new April

Scott: O'Neal because yeah, we did talk about paige Truco and all that.

Yeah. And, uh, the 100. Yeah, it's fucking Clark's mom. Yeah. Fuck. Fuck both. I think we've talked about that four times now. I get, I

Frank: wanted to like the 100 so much. I won't go off on a rant. I really wanted to write it. Kelly stuck

Scott: on that. I just can't finish it. I've started season Kelly started it and gave up immediately and I don't blame her for that either.

My hill

r. I've started season four, [: 00:59:00

Scott: 3, 15, 16, 23, 42

Frank: fucking Clark dude in Bellamy, Jesus Christ. This,

Scott: the leads in that show are terrible, but yeah.

Uh, so we're doing ninja turtles, Octavia Con sky crew, Cowabunga. .

Frank: Thanks everyone for joining us for the last video store clerks podcast, be sure to leave a rating and subscribe. You can find us on Twitter at last clerks, Instagram at the last video store clerks, and you can find Scott@dispatchesfromthepit.com.